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MBTA, UMass Boston vow no more cooperation with State Police; State Police express their displeasure
By adamg on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 3:24pm
Karyn Regal at WBZ Newsradio has the statement from SPAM, the State Police Association of Massachusetts, on the decision of the T to stop letting police use its buses to move troopers and police officers around and the decision of UMass Boston to stop letting State Police use the campus for parking during event responses.
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A word of caution
As much as I agree ethically with the recent protests, and as much I agree the concerns are legitimate (and I myself was the victim of overzealous police security theater in the highly overblown aftermath of the Marathon bombing) I have to wonder if a systematic dismantling or de-powering of the police will lead people with criminal intent to take advantage. We've already seen that among the very legitimate protesters there was an immediate criminal element looting for no reason other than that they could and it was like taking candy from a baby. This all has to be gone about very carefully and without letting emotions--or anger- -rule.
Don't worry. We won't find
Don't worry. We won't find out if you're correct, since the police aren't goingn to be dismantled.
Without police
Who tell the rape victims that they should just get over it?
Who will tell citizens who's homes have been burglarized that there's nothing they can do?
Who will tell you, "that's a civil matter"?
Who will ignore vehicular manslaughter?
Who will shoot your dog?
Who will tear gas peaceful protesters?
When the cops in NYC went on strike...
Crime went down, much of crime is manufactured by extractive policing. The rest is mostly a product of poverty and an anti-social society.
SPAM
Seriously?
Clearly a sign of how out of touch with reality and society they are.
Hormel should sue!
They're giving Spam a bad name.
That's ok with me
But for here forward the MBTA never asks for help from the Staties. Under any Circumstances.
What help were they currently getting?
Can't say I've ever seen a Statie providing security on the T or helping a bus through traffic.
If anything, based on the whole Silver Line ramp thing, the State Police were taking more away from the MBTA than they were giving.
Oh no!!1!
Oh no!!1!
The state police are useless crooks who have stolen millions from taxpayers.
You don't like SPAM?
Better duck or the cops will throw a BRIC at you.
Good to see that the Staties
have found their voices after saying shit about the overtime scandals and just about
every other instance of corruption in their ranks.
No Honor Among Thieves
Aren't the MBTA, UMASS and MSP ultimately all part of the Great Kleptocracy?
Who's getting the private bus contract now, and who's getting the parking fees, not to mention the mileage and travel time.
On Sunday (06/07) it was
On Sunday (06/07) it was tweeted that BPD was now using buses provided by the private company Yankee Line. Although the MBTA has also used Yankee Line for some of their shuttles, the MBTA tweeted they were not involved in the arangement. Private bus companies have been very hard financially hit by the pandemic, I'm sure if Yankee was pressured to walk away from the business, there is a long list of other companie that will be ready to take the work.
Just sounds like a new
Just sounds like a new expense for taxpayers. Joy.
T operators don't work for free
It costs $173/hour to operate an MBTA bus. If you think the Staties are tapping their Charlie Cards on when they get on then I have a bridge to sell you.
If the Staties are paying for the bus as a charter, it might run afoul of FTA charter bus guidelines.
In any case, it would save a lot of money if the State Police stopped beating people up and having useless shows of force and abusing overtime, too.
agree, but
Agree wholeheartedly. But this discussion is about something different. State agencies should cooperate. Period.
The staties will respond to
The staties will respond to these events. Whether the MBTA likes it or not. Taxpayers will be the ones on the hook for the Ts woke stance.
Taxpayers are on the hook for
Taxpayers are on the hook for the MBTA already.
And now the staties will just
And now the staties will just charter a bus instead?
I do not get the point here... One state agency using its assets to increase costs to another state agency. The staties wont be effected in the long run. The tax payer will.
Increase costs?
Please show your work.
Remember: T buses are not free. Just because they have been provided for police doesn't mean that taxpayers aren't footing the bill.
'T buses are not free.'
I think that's the whole point. Look, the buses are paid for no matter what.
Have a mass casualty incident (fire, derailment, whatever) in cold weather and the T rolls buses to put the uninjured victims on to keep them all warm and snug.
No decent human would deny the people involved that comfort, even though they probably (not sure how that works) called in someone on OT to be the chauffeur.
Staties got to go somewhere? They'll find a bus. It might be a Fung Wah twenty bucks to NY special, but they'll find one.
And it'll cost top dollar.
So, bottom line here is that it's a big FU to the taxpayers.
To all the bureaucracies out there...grow the fuck up. The taxpayers see the shenanigans going on.
Staties with CDLs and statie
Staties with CDLs and statie dedicated school busses are also not free.
The MBTA is likely (or at least it should be) the cheapest way to deploy state police en masse for response to major events. Whether that be a world series game or a riot. The MBTA refusing to transport staties does not mean they will not be present at such events, just that they will either do that inhouse, costing taxpayers money, or via charters.
This is a political point scoring stance from what should be a non political body.
The staties will just buy a
The staties will just buy a fleet of busses just like NYPD has.
I think you mean to say that
I think you mean to say that taxpayers will be on the hook for the staties' corrupt bullshit. But we already are.
If the State and Boston
If the State and Boston Poilce buy their own buses, even used school buses, that will still be an additional constant expense to maintain them and to train police to drive them vs. using MBTA buses a few times a year. The first time I can ever remember seeing police transported to a deployment on MBTA buses was during the busing crisis of the 1970s, when MBTA buses were used to bring cops to South Boston High School to protect students from the rock throwers. I'm sure there would be complaints today if the MBTA did not provide buses for a mission like that.
Unfortunately, even more likely than the cops buying some of their own buses, are the cops buying surplus military armored personnel carriers. If you think cops are in militarized mood after arriving at a deployment on a transit bus, what do you think their state of mind will be when they instead arrived in army equipment?
I doubt it's considered a
I doubt it's considered a charter.
If State Police requisition equipment/support for an event or situation, the state gets it for them. Getting it from another state agency (DOT) is simply convenient. and probably economical. Paying the T time & material rates for equipment the state already owns and operator, as long as the operator isn't being put in danger, is likely less expensive than State Police maintaining an inventory of buses and getting licensing for enough officers.
It's not about the buses
it's to say, Get your own house in order.
If and when they do, then buses return and we'll cooperate.
It's not about the buses
it's to say, Get your own house in order.
If and when they do, then buses return and we'll cooperate.
i know
that sooner or later liberals have to look at their own role in contributing to the creation in this society of either nasty brutes with weak minds vulnerable to fascist demagoguery, or their fat, grotesquely pious, overly-big-kneed-sit-down-lawnmower-beer-swilling OAFISH-LOL type, ya know, one of the high priests of the cossack tradition.
The super rich take everything from us, while we, not understanding ourselves, fight to the death over the crumbs.
The human animal is a monkey, and most of them need a lot of support to have self-esteem, and a lot of training at whatever "wrench" it is their lot to pull. Spend the money on training them, not on foreign wars and tax cuts for the elite.
I understand (and I'm pretty sure I am correct in that) the moral outrage we feel toward the racist brutes. But the answer to this is not moral outrage and voting them off the island. The apes will never go away, and if you disenfranchise them they will just move under the fascist umbrella of Trump. Train the pigs, apes, cossacks to interact positively with their community. Put everything on that. Require it. Make them document the fuck out of it. Make them do presentations on what they are learning. Give them pizza and gold star stickies.
Yeah I am ignoring the Umass shituation because I am looking at the bigger picture.
Pointless agency reaction
This action not only makes no operational sense, but just feels like a poor attempt at feeling morally superior for a hot minute.
MSP did nothing wrong Sunday and are generally very professional (obviously not perfect) .
They are not the buffalo emergency response team. We can’t broadly treat police as “one” when the whole point of the protest is to stop getting a single group treated as “one” stereotype.
Calling Charlie Baker
Your children are fighting can you please control your three kids named MSP, MBTA, and UMASS.
Baker virtue signaling to the rioters?
As anon 8:35 pm points out, Baker controls all three state entities involved. Is he fighting with himself or is this all a virtue signal that he stands with the rioters?
Politically, Baker could never join the radical-left and totally defund police but he can make things as difficult as possible. Baker could never torch a cruiser but he can eliminate their parking spaces. He couldn't rage alongside the rioters and punch a cop but he can take away their bus. This is irrational, deBlasio-level cop hating by Baker. As others point out, this will only cost the state money at a time it faces a massive $6 billion to $12 billion deficit while the state remains 49th to reopen.
Today's move is the most bizarre yet, even worse than Baker's tearful story of a struggling fisherman who never existed. The Globe dutifully dismissed that as a "powerful false memory." It will be interesting to hear how UMASS and the MBTA were told to sync this and whether Baker's new Colonel of the State Police was ever consulted. In 2010, before he became a dependable Trump-hating Republican Governor, the Globe and others questioned Baker's mean-streak, truthfulness and emotional fitness. They may have been on to something.
Shouldn't you be out there?
You know, verifying that that demonstrator's social security numbers match their state of birth?
ssi number
What about illegal aliens, they do not have SSI numbers.
Broken clock right twice a day
Globe bashing aside, Fish close to a full coherent position on that one. The governor needs all agencies working together for the people. What did MSP do to warrant this rather misguided “action” taken ?
When people say they want change, it’s obvious they mean GOOD change. I want good change. I don’t want pointless changes that actually make any future response worse and more expensive.
Remove rhetorical hyperbole and what is left?
Very little. Like a plant or any animal fully dehydrated little substance remains. Fishy: I always take your screeds as a perverse kind of entertainment. Comparable to the sexualized descriptions of hades and hell provided by the Evangelicals (it was an amazing male like graphic with a vertical tube down which the soul fell into the oval shapedball on the right (hell) or the oval shaped ball on the left (hades). This on television.
But that aside aside, a complaint filled with hyperbole makes for no argument.
virtue signal
rioters
torch a cruiser
irrational
Trump hating
Try restating your comment without the hyperbole.
Hell and Hades
Hell and Hades are two different places?
Good first step MBTA
Now can you take the second step and disarm your swat team, riot team, motorcycle squad , and attack dog teams. The Transit police once rode trains and buses with the rest of us now they dress like imperial storm troopers. I do believe they should be armed but not with rifles and machine guns.
There's an obvious solution here
There's an obvious solution here that this entire comment thread seems to be missing: