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All of our ham towns
By adamg on Tue, 09/13/2022 - 3:07pm
Rhodes Cartography has created a map that shows all the Massachusetts places with names ending in "ham." And yes, of course, they show whether the ending is pronounced like "ham" or "um."
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The h isn't pronounced in
The h isn't pronounced in Petersham. It's more like "PEE-ter-sam." Doesn't seem like they really have an option for that variation though.
FWIW
I once stopped in their little historical society building specifically to ask how they prefer the name to be pronounced. They said the correct pronunciation is like "Peter's-Ham"
Never call it "Peter-Sham"
I grew up in the next town
I grew up in the next town over. You could always tell somebody wasn't local if they called it Peter-sham.
Peter Sam!
Two former towns nearby…
Petersham were Greenwich, pronounced “green witch” (which makes me wonder if the one in Connecticut or the ones in Rhode Island (East and West) were ever pronounced like that before they got snooty) and Dana, pronounced “Danna”. They were among the four towns disincorporated to make way for the Quabbin Reservoir.
Two former towns nearby…
Petersham were Greenwich, pronounced “green witch” (which makes me wonder if the one in Connecticut or the ones in Rhode Island (East and West) were ever pronounced like that before they got snooty) and Dana, pronounced “Danna”. They were among the four towns disincorporated to make way for the Quabbin Reservoir.
Today I learned
Today I learned Massachusetts has a town named Cummington. Where is Ashburnham?
Northwest of Fitchburg, near the NH border.
I'm there often. Check out Tweedo's.
It's also home to a historic piano museum which is kinda neat.
There's also Cushing Academy which is a boarding school with a nice campus.
Cummington is cool town too. Rachel Maddow has a home there or so I've read. Excellent cycling if you are Ok with hills and dirt roads. Pretty farm country. It's like being in VT.
Cummington
has a mineral named after it, cummingtonite.
Where'd you learn that?
From Dick Hertz?
Dick Hertz from Holden?
(Cummingtonite does exist - discovered in Cummington in 1824)
Cumming, Georgia
never looked it up but I bet this is why Cumming, Georgia is named for that.
Always thought this was a dirty name for a town.
But boy it makes for some great junior high jokes
My inner 12-year-old's mind immediately
went to Athol.
My inner 12-year-old
always wonders whether, when Athol plays the neighboring town of Orange in high school football, do they call it the Orange Athol Game?
Dedum vs Dedm
I always thought Dedham was pronounced like Dedm.
(vs the more pronounced UM sound in some of the others)
or
The midwestern wife of a family member one said she went shopping in Deed-ham. One of many, many little cultural oddities.
Once on the commuter rail
I was taking the Needham train, and of course the conductor, stepping off the train at Back Bay, noted that this was the Needham train. Some tourist, most likely returning to her suburban hotel, asked if it was the Deedham train. I noted that it was the Needham train and that the town is Dedham.
I think she still got on the train. That's not a pronunciation fail. That's a failure to read the schedule. Still, it is theoretically possible to walk to Dedham Corporate Center from Hersey. It's a long walk, but a nice one.
Always reminds me of a McSweeney's piece from years back
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/fake-massachusetts-towns
FAKE MASSACHUSETTS TOWNS
by MICHAEL ANDOR BRODEUR
Lameham
Methol
Shamesbury
Blight Falls
West Lameham
Mansocket
Whitefolk
Leominsterlingburghamshireton
Scroughton
Unstable (/unst’-a-bull/)
Hamham
Braintree
Pretty beliveable list
At least, if you drop the last entry.
Stone-HAM
I once attended an event at the Stoneham Historical Society. Everyone there called it Stone-HAM, not Stone-um -- contrary to what this map would indicate.
Yeah, I'm in Wakefield, have
Yeah, I'm in Wakefield, have friends in Stoneham and know plenty of people that were born and raised there. Definitely in dispute, leaning towards ham, not um.
Those would be the older
Those would be the older townies. HAM is the older pronunciation. UM is more recent. It's the only -ham place I am aware of in MA where both pronunciations are used by *locals*.
um
Growing up in Melrose, I never heard it pronounced any way but "umm." It wasn't until I moved to Medford as an adult that I heard "HAM."
I dispute...
I dispute that the pronunciation of RAIN-HAM is in dispute. Color the dang thing purple. Anyone who was born there, grew up there, and whose parents (and several siblings) still live there, knows this to be true.
(Hey, if I can live in Boston for 30 years and still be considered a "country boy" whose opinions of what goes on in this city are so often dismissed, in true Mass spirit, I gotta pass it along somehow.)
Agreed. I remember a radio ad for the local dog
track pronouncing it RAIN-um Park, which grated on my eight-year-old ears. The lyrics went something like:
"Go greyhound racing at Raynham Park
Nightime racing at Raynham Park
[something something something]
[something something] starting at eight
Daily Double, lots of fun for you you you
Join the win crowd!"
One could explain the odd pronunciation because the jingle wasn't written or recorded by locals, or merely that RAIN-um scanned better in the song's meter than RAIN-HAM, c.f., the current jingle for a tankless water heater brand: "Count on na-VEE-un" when the spoken brand is NA-vee-un.
I have better recall of the radio jingle for Taunton Dog Track, as it was a tradition (for reasons nobody can recall) for me and a fellow wide receiver to sing it on the team bus to away high school football games, which always got a huge hoot and holler from our teammates. Weird, I know.
So wait….
It is Ray-num right? Not Rain-ham…
I remember those dog track
I remember those dog track commercials. It was definitely pronounced Rain-num Park.
Hmm...
Is this really sufficient data though? I mean, I'm not doubting at all that you're from there and that's how you've always said it.
But we're talking about a region in which people who have lived in a neighborhood for several generations can vary in terms of how they pronounce a street name (often depending on class, ethnicity, religion, schools attended, etc.) I have friends who have siblings who pronounce their town or neighborhood differently, and will say things like "yeah, my sister uses more of the townie pronunciation; we went to different schools." I know families in which mom's side and dad's side (both native English speakers from this region) say their kids' names differently. Or people who have two different pronunciations of their last name within the family.
On the Twitter thread, it mentions calling the municipality's government and/or historical society and asking. But that still only gets you data from how that one person says it, which could be dependent on age, culture, etc. A few of the towns were originally one way on the first version of the map due to how the employee said it, but people came into the thread saying they're from there and it's said a different way or both ways.
English place names in Massachusetts
On a somewhat related note, which of the many places in the state which are named after English towns have different pronunciations over here ?
So far I've counted three -
- Billerica (the English town spelling adds a -y though)
- Woburn
- Harwich
Of course the most amusing (mis)pronunciations are out-of-staters efforts with Worcester and Gloucester, which are actually similar on both sides of the pond, apart from the trailing '-ah' which Massachusetts natives use.
Wanna play a fun game?
Wanna play a fun game? Get a group of your favorite Britons (or "Queens English Speakers"), hand them a printed list of Massachusetts town names. Have them say each one. 9 times out of 10, they get it correct. It'll sound a bit odd surrounded by words using a brit accent, but the town name will be spot on.
The only ones that didn't were the same were towns that ended in -bury. (i.e. Glastonbury). Britons say "bury" (like I will bury you after you die). We tend to say "berry" instead.
Coworkers in my former's London office had a lot of fun over lunch one day pronouncing Massachusetts town names.
Cybah…..
I think I say berry and bury the same. In fact I say those words the exact same.
I came to say the same thing
Bury = Berry
(and by the way, for me, ant = aunt.)
its different
At that lunch we spent a good 20 minutes talking about bury.
It sounds different than the way we say it. Just a little bit. I think the emphasis when saying it was on the "ury".. more "ur" sound than "er" sound. If that makes sense.
Find a briton and ask them to say "Glastonbury".. or Shrewsbury. You'll hear it.
Like I said we spent a good 20 or so minutes on just the pronunciation of Glastonbury. And the berry vs bury part.
Its fun to watch coworkers say "bury" over and over again.
Ha still the same for me!
Go to google and type in:
“Berry definition” and click on the audio pronunciation. Then do the same for “bury” They are the exact same no?
But do “burry”. That’s the word that sounds different and the pronunciation that you mean I think.
The British pronunciation of Glastonbury at the end is more burry than berry or bury. Think Bill Burr.
Bury
Burry is what I mean
This is why trying to do word pronunciations via text on screen doesn't always work LOL
Yes, burry
Like, rhymes roughly with furry.
I looked at your first post and was like, aren't "bury dead people" and "strawberry" pronounced the same in pretty much every dialect?
Stoneham is pronounced BOTH ways
If anything, older townies tend towards Stone-Ham, but not uniformly.
Watch the end of this….
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5sxRP8/
Hing-ham
I worked with a billing clerk who was a Vermonter and every time she had to mail a packet to Blue Cross/Blue Shield she'd say it was going to "Hing-Ham" which would send me into gales of laughter. I never had the heart to correct her.
'Deed-ham' and 'Walth-um' are
'Deed-ham' and 'Walth-um' are my favorite non-Worcester mispronunciations from out-of-town folks
Walth-um
seems to be the original UK pronunciation, at least if I believe YouTube videos such as this one
Waltham, Worcester, et al.
Decades ago I knew a West Coast transplant who lived at Windsor Village in “Wall-thum.” He also mispronounced Worcester as Wōō-ster. I never bothered to correct him.
I agree about only old-timers saying Stone-Ham. I never hear it pronounced that way these days.
A bit off topic, but related…does anyone hear/read about living “in” Beacon Hill? We used to say “on” Beacon Hill. Another change is “The” Back Bay has now become “Back Bay,” no longer preceded by “The.”
Has anyone ever heard???
Waltham pronounced as Walt-Ham? If so please share the experience. I'm just curious.
Exactly one person says that
In 2001 or so I worked at a place where many of us took that commuter rail line. When people would discuss which conductors did and did not tend to collect fares for short trips between two adjacent suburban stops, they would mention "the guy who pronounces Waltham with a space in it."
Next up
The -boro(ugh) towns, which ones officially have a preference, and which way do the people from there tend to spell it?
I worked with two people from Marlboro(ugh), one of whom insisted the shorter way was the only way, because why would you waste letters, and the other of whom insisted, "no, I don't live in a pack of smokes."
Attleboro(ugh)s
The two adjoining towns are officially spelled Attleboro and North Attleborough. Really.
I believe Attleboro is the only town officially spelled as "-boro".