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Giant ship docks at Black Falcon Pier
By adamg on Thu, 05/19/2016 - 2:46pm
Royal Caribbean's Anthem of the Seas is the largest cruise ship to ever dock in Boston.
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Hope they enjoy Boston
I always wonder what people who arrive on cruise ships think of Boston. The terminal, like many cruise docks around the world, is in an industrial area, quite a distance from downtown. Do they mostly all go on Duck Tours or try to walk the Freedom trail or just end up at Quincy Market?
I love Boston, but I always wonder how it shows to people who are only here for a few short hours.
Trolley Tours
The trolley companies all have trolleys waiting at terminals when a cruise ship is scheduled to be in port. They pick up passengers and drive them from the terminal to the regular trolley route. Since the they all have "hop on/hop off" arrangements, passengers can visit a couple of their high-priority points of interest or just take the entire trolley tour.
In other words...
Yes, they go to Quincy Market.
"I'm not leaving until I get
"I'm not leaving until I get a bread bowl full of chowdah!"
And it better be spelled that
And it better be spelled that way! That's how you know it's wicked pissa!
Ive been on a dozen cruise
Ive been on a dozen cruise ships. Huge variation in how passengers disperse.
Some passengers prefer to do zero work, and pay the cruise company to arrange the entire day. Transportation, stops etc. This is popular especially among the seniors and those who have never really traveled before.
Others prefer to save a little money and arrange the tour on the dock. Popular among families which still want the day planned but need to pay for more bodies so saving $20 a head is important.
Still others go for the local cab.They simply ask to be delivered to whatever the guide book recommended. "Take me to the freedom trail".
And some, like me, use local public transit, which in this case would be the Silver Line, and rely on maps with large lists of potential things to see and eat,
If you're relying on public
If you're relying on public transportation to see the sights of Boston, you'd better hope that your guidebook has a very small list of potential things to see and eat.
Why?
Most of the city's sights and attractions are downtown and back bay, and then the Cambridge schools and the constitution. All very transit accessible.
I spoke with a twenty
I spoke with a twenty-something crew member on the return from a Bermuda trip last year - asked what they liked to do if they had that few hours of liberty on Friday between late-morning return and afternoon departure.
"I love going to Quincy Market and getting something to eat!!!"
...the poor, poor devil....
I used to travel for a living
I worked in IT and was on the road about 85% of my time. I ate in restaurants every day of the week. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. When I would come home I would crave the simplest junk made at home.
I would imagine it's the same for cruise ship people. They may eat well (same as passengers) but get sick and tired of the same stuff, week in, week out.
Sometimes a plate of crappy chicken teriyaki or hot dog is all you want.
Yes, but
Being someone who's on the road 75% or the time, there is no such thing as a restaurant made equivalent to homemade. In this sort of situation, I pray to be traveling with a rental car so I can find a market and eat real salad and fresh veg and hummus. (Which isn't how I eat everyday when I'm home for a few days at a time, but I start to crave that stuff when it's restaurants 24/7)
I can see if you're eating from the same menu weeks at a time, Quincy Market looks like an option for variety, but it is still nothing on eating at home.
I realize the crew dining
I realize the crew dining room onship doesn't have quite the variety/opulence that the paying passengers get in freestyle dining, but... I can't imagine that it happens very often that one of them looks at his dinner companions and says, "You know, I'm really craving a mediocre $11 bagel pizza right now!"
Admittedly, they don't have much in the way of opportunities. This particular person worked on a ship that was on the Boston-Bermuda run. They time it to tie-up around dawn on Friday, a good bit of them must be on-duty for disembarkation, probably even more of them on duty by early/mid afternoon for boarding passengers & kickoff programming, and they depart by late afternoon. Those who get shore time don't get much time to go very far.
I've been told
The people who work the Cruise Port have told me that people most definitely travel the City and get around. If you look at the Cruiseport schedule, you will see a ton (boatload?) of ships visiting our fair city in the Fall - for leaf peep season. It's a Thing.
I've also been told that Germans bring their bicycles. You cyclists know how far you can get around Boston in 1/2 to 3/4 of a day - you tell us!
Question for the smahty-pants
I've seen in the past some estimates for how much each of these cruise ships pay for berthing fees to Massport but can't find anything definitive. I would imagine that the per day rate depends on the vessel, services required and any sort of deal a cruise line has cut with Massport, but does anyone have any hard data on that? Thx.
No idea for Boston. A number
No idea for Boston. A number I found for Seattle was $9.99/linear foot/24-hour period + $6.62/pax.
That's a lot of space...
...for norovirus to hide in.
No thanks!
So is the subway
Your school
Your work place
Your chipotle
Your kitchen.
Yeah, but at least if I get the norovirus from any of those
places, I can suffer and recuperate in the privacy of my own home, not trapped on a ship at sea with hundreds of other afflicted souls.
David Foster Wallace hilariously confirmed most of my suspicions about cruises. They don't seem like my cuppa. I don't even like being trapped with a bunch of strangers for a two-hour booze cruise.
Thats assuming you are at home when you are stricken
And not on vacation like the people on this ship.
You could just as easily contract Norovirus at any hotel on the planet. So unless you are advocating never traveling, your chances of catching an illness are just as similar as anyone else.
Ive had Noro. It wasn't pretty. I was at home when it happened. Im glad it happened there and not on a vacation. But will that stop my from going on a cruise or flight? Never.
My passports have the stamps of
eighty countries. I've always done it like Bourdain says to: eating the street food, shopping at local markets, skipping whatever the guidebooks called the Best Local Whatever, pressing to get invited to a home-cooked meal. I've had the odd case of traveler's discomfort, never anything with the godawful puking associated with norovirus.
I'm no doctor, but cruise ships are well-documented hot spots of incubation, like a prison on waves. Surely you've seen the stories of rapidly spreading outbreaks, the Floating Vomitoria of the Damned. Regardless, fear of food-borne illness is not the basis of my aversion to cruise ships: refer to the DFW essay I cited.
Meh
'Well documented' in that you only hear about the horror stories on the news.
That is worth noting
Cruise ships are required by law to report outbreaks such as Norovirus.
Hotels and other destinations are not.
Actually, norovirus is well-documented
by the medical profession to thrive and spread rapidly in closed or semi-closed environments: long-term care facilities, overnight camps, hospitals, schools, prisons, clubs, dormitories and -- what's that other one? Oh, right: cruise ships.
But yet again: fear of food-borne illness is not something that has ever stopped me from traveling. I just don't like the idea of cruising.
That's not where I hear about it
I read about it in medical and public health journals, too.
It is a big problem in the Public Health world, and cruise ships absolutely live up to their reputation. Not because of any specific lapses of hygiene but because they trap a sizeable population of humans in together and create an optimum transmission environment.
Partial reaction
I've read the first couple of pages and have saved it for later to finish.
But my first reaction is that article is 20 years old.
Each cruise line is different - I'm not certain I'd go on Celebrity Cruises.
He was an author, writing that piece for your amusement and it was directed at a certain reader. Of course things will be made that much more nuts in his descriptions.
black falcon pier space savers
you're going to need a bigger beach chair.
a floating petri dish
hopefully the keep the norovirus on the boat.
That's one fugly looking shi
Looks like top heavy barge.
That ship is ugly and top heavy.
It also looks like it couldn't maneuver well in an emergency and that things might go badly if a rogue wave hit it. A ~ 90 foot wave hit the QE II back in the 90's, but things worked out sort of okay. I remember hearing about it when it happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_2 (scroll down)
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.physics/2006-11/msg02047.html
I admit that I added the links because it's hard to believe a ship could make it through a wave of that size. I was pretty skeptical when I heard about it on the news.
There is a big difference
There is a big difference between a cruise ship and a ocean liner. Look it up.
QE2 was an ocean liner. This is not.
This ship is designed for places like the Med and Caribbean.
Interesting fact. Normally lifeboats are located at 49 feet above water and that is dictated by SOLAS standards. The owners Cunard convinced SOLAS officials to exempt the Queen Mary 2 from this requirement, and the boats are 25 m (82 ft) above the waterline. This was based on experience with the QE2 being damaged by large waves such as the one you mentioned.
Queen Mary 2 is another ocean liner and the experience of the north Atlantic is much different from your typical cruise vacation destination.
Thanks. I learn something new every day
Didn't know there was a difference between the two.
Underwater fins
I have to imagine this is not specific to just one cruise ship company, but while confined to quarters on a cruise many years ago, the tv channel that boasts about how great cruises are talked about the giant underwater fins that the ship had, which gives it much more stability in choppier seas.
As it seems like common sense to me, I imagine other ships have the same feature.
Fits right in
Fits right in with BosVegas, where it is docked.
Throw a couple of over-sized "boulevards" on it and the camouflage would be perfect.
What
Is the love of adding Vegas to the end of shortened city names? Manchvegas comes to mind. Derisiveness?
Environmental Blasphemy
Nuff said
I would like to agree. That
I would like to agree. That ship is a sea going protect (think D Street or Heath street progect). It is not like old time ships like the Normandy the Queen Mary or the QE2. Never mind the SS United States which set the record for trans Atllantic passage.. IT was put on the blocks for 20 or 30 years because it used secret US technology. Back to the QE2. I used to work on Northern Ave. and I talked to QE2 crew who remembered the ship which went 90 feet above the water line being topped by a route wave. This ship had a much lower center of gravity than newer project style ships. The big ship we have seen here if it got hit that hard would be the equivalent of wiping out several city blocks.
A cruise ship or a place
Americans go too graze like cattle, wear clothes that don't fit and tour ports wearing fanny packs??
Thoughts from a recent cruise
We went to the Caribbean.
It sounds so glamorous.
It sounds so glamorous.
Iknorite?
There were definitely positives that I didn't go into, such as
It's no trip on the Queen Mary or QEII - from what I can gather. But it is what you make of it. With so many options to choose from, everyone is likely to find something to do (or not).
So would you take another cruise?
??
Ive been on a few cruises
I like them enough to go back.
My recommendation would be to avoid larger ships like this one. Stick with some of the smaller ships that have been renovated over the years. My preference is for Holland America, Celebrity or Princess. I did not like Royal Caribbean. i felt like I was on a floating mall. Other cruise lines felt more like a traditional cruise ship.
The buffets are available on any cruise ship but I avoid them. Its so much easier to have your breakfast delivered to your state room every morning (No extra charge) and sit on your balcony if you have one. Plus you don't pig out like you tend to do at a buffet.
There are so many better options for food on a cruise that I don't understand why anyone would use the buffet in the first place. Regular dining options are great and if you want something extra, most of these cruise lines have regular style restaurants for a slight uncharge ($10-$20). My last cruise I spent two nights in a steakhouse similar in quality to any high end steak house in Boston and a Northern Italian. The food was excellent.
Although these ships can be huge, they feel empty most of the time. The only time you will feel a crowd is during traditional dining times or at the pool first thing each day.
I like to treat a cruise as a sampler vacation. You get to see a lot of different places and then pick one for your next years vacation. Not everyone likes them, but I enjoyed mine.
Maybe?
It was my second cruise. I was with a group and we were relatively low key compared to the family reunion,same shirt wearing, groups. Our Cruise Agent who helped set up the trip sent each cabin in the group a bottle of wine and a plate of chocolate dipped fruits. She did that for the other cruise I'd gone on as well. Combine this with the fact that I was there with a group and we had things set up for us to participate in separate from the regular cruising folk, I think I may have a slightly skewed view of cruises?
On some level it reminded me of the oh so long ago college experience. We all had our dorm rooms, various dining options, activities to choose from, etc.
I am glad I don't get motion sickness easily. If you do, this type of trip is not for you. Our first day at sea the seas were pretty big. I think they had barf bags in the elevator lobbies. On our last day, the seas were 8' give or take (per the Navigation channel we had access to). The barf bags were definitely set out that night. And many were not feeling well. I loved it. And laughed at myself and everyone else walking drunk without being drunk (well, I can only speak for myself on that, actually).
So to conclude - going on another will depend upon destination(s), cruise line, and length of trip. And I will want a balcony.