Maybe "Our Thing" fits into the roads are only for cars narrative that so many motorists seem to believe and act upon.
Yeah but back to seriousness, of course people are going to be outraged by an out of context line like that. And they aren't wrong for reacting that way, its the same coded victim-blaming language that we see on every single discussion about cycling/pedestrian mobility.
But its always crickets when it comes to the weekly car that jumped a curb or crashed into a building or caused a pileup on 93. Wheres the finger wagging from Mayor Walsh on that topic? Shocking indeed.
My husband and I were nearly hit in front of the main building at MIT on Mass Ave by a cyclist racing at high speed down the bike lane — going the wrong way. We were on the edge of the curb at the crosswalk and had just gotten the Walk sign so we were looking to our left to make sure cars had stopped, and our feet were moving in the air off the curb as he came out of nowhere. I've rarely been so terrified or come so close to death or serious injury as a pedestrian.
I've never been the same pedestrian since, and that's a good thing. I rarely cross streets now without turning my head in both directions multiple times, one-way street or not. This has kept me out of the path of at least one or two wrong-way speeding bikers in the two years I've been doing it. You will never catch me crossing streets while looking at my phone.
But I was nearly hit again the other day by a biker as I walked on the Comm. Ave. Mall. She came up from behind me and yelled "On your left" when she was on my right. Keep in mind that bikes aren't permitted there and that there are good bike lanes on either side of it.
Sidewalks in Back Bay are also becoming popular for adult cyclists these days and not just the Hubway folks. I dodge a biker almost every day. If you feel you ought to ride on sidewalks, you should still have to be accompanied by a parent or guardian, no matter how old you are.
They constantly walk 2-3-4 abreast on bike paths, j-walk wherever they want, cross the street wearing all black at night expecting cars to see and stop on a dime, walk against the pedestrian signal.
And car drivers? Don't get me started.
Every transportation modality has its share of stupid people.
I'm a pedestrian and I live in the "inner-city" ( I hate that word).
I see it every day I watch our young people especially young people of color randomly walk into the street almost challenging the motor vehicles to hit them. They seem like they're entitled a walk across the street randomly and recklessly when they feel like it and don't expect accidents to happen.
To be frankly honest, I honestly think that we need to revisit the jaywalking laws. If we do I need to enforce only civil penalties.
Since a bicycle is also a vehicle, cyclists, too, are subject to the rules of the road, just as cars and other vehicles are. Anybody who believes otherwise is just deluding him/herself, and is in for a rather rude awakening.
both sides claim the other is completely and entirely at fault.
The realty is that drivers are speeding, driving in bike lanes and/or distracted on their phones, bikers do ignore lights and other traffic laws and weave in between cars and pedestrians do have their headphones on, buried on their phones and don't wait for the walk signal.
The reality is that the only thing all these deaths have in common is drivers. They are the only ones killing people, so the focus should be on them. Now according to Walsh people can't walk with headphones on but drivers are allowed to blast music and talk on their cell phones? That is ridiculous.
Actually the only common denominator are humans. Humans jaywalk into oncoming traffic, humans drive cars fast, humans ride their bikes without obeying traffic laws. It's not just drivers. It's not just pedestrians. It's not just bicyclists. It's humans not paying attention and/or behaving recklessly.
I don't think cyclists who get killed or permanently maimed by cars while riding their bicycles deserve such horrible fates, but I do think that the number of cyclists who totally disregard red lights, STOP signs, ride on the wrong side of a regular two-way road or street, or down one-way streets the wrong way, or weave in and out of traffic, or show disregard for pedestrians is large enough so that it, too presents a problem.
It's a real drag to say this, but studies have shown that at least 80% of the time, in the events of car/cyclist fatalities, the cyclist has been at fault.
Boston Police would disagree with you. https://www.cityofboston.gov/news/uploads/16776_49_15_27.pdf
38 % noted the bicyclist either: a) ran a red light, b) ran a stop sign
or c) rode into oncoming traffic.
• 18% of the cases involved a driver or passenger opening a car door
into an oncoming cyclist. This represents 40% of all cases in which
driver behavior is noted.
• 14% noted that the driver did not see the cyclist.
There wasn't wrong with anything he said as a general matter.
Instead of acknowledgment of the general truth and constructive criticism to raise the topic of particular cases (which he hadn't been discussing) - a simple Yeah, that's good as far as that goes, but... - all these bike group spokespeople types are rushing to trash him and just make themselves look unreasonable and out of touch.
First I would like to extend my deepest sympathies to all the families friends and Associates of any individual who was killed in an accident whether it was avoidable or not on a bike. There is no compensation for a human being or a life that is not the issue here may God bless each and every one of these Souls.
Do anyone have any information on the satistics on vehicle, bike or pedestrian deaths in the final report and who was at fault.
All the recent "cyclist hits pedestrian" situations that I know of were the fault of the pedestrian - like the guy who stepped out between cars into a bike lane.
How about googling "motor vehicle deaths" now - 30,000 per year, 10,000 are pedestrians and cyclists.
Five incidents, seven years, three countries. Plus some sponsored ambulance chasing that comes up differently when you lead with different search terms.
Mayor Marty Walsh wasn't wrong when he said that cyclists, too, have to take responsibility and do what they have to do to protect themselves, as well as pedestrians, and motorists. Cyclists, unfortunately, have caused a good many motor vehicular accidents, and have even been responsible for drivers getting injured or killed, either because they've had to swerve into an oncoming lane to avoid hitting the cyclist(s), or, in the case of cyclists riding at night, because they're often not readily seen by an automobile or truck driver.
I don't even bike but Walsh sounds ignorant and out of touch. A driver just killed a cyclist and drove off to hide the murder weapon aka his car yet he is saying cyclists and pedestrians are equally at fault?! Remind me again who cyclists and pedestrians have killed...
The only instance that I know of a bicyclist causing a death was when a messenger ran into a man near City Hall. That led to his having a heart attack and death.
So here is an answer. At least once.
Equally important how many people have been harmed by bicyclists? How many people have to jump to the side to avoid being hit by a bicyclist?
I nearly hit a pedestrian once because I chose to barrel through a red light. I was at fault because I did not do my job of being careful and following road rules.
Yet there is not denying that a car is a lot heavier than a bike.
All of us have the obligation to not be reckless. But I doubt if that will happen unless maiming and deaths by vehicles of any kind, for any reason, including pedestrians being stupid by shutting the world with earbuds is declared a public health hazard.
Before he starts lecturing Bostonians about something he seems to know so little about, the mayor ought to get better educated himself. As a pedestrian, cyclist, motorist and someone who rides the T, I was turned off by his condescending tone. I expect he has made things worse. Maybe he should get out more and experience the real Boston.
Agreed. Marty "I'm a car guy" Walsh has no clue about what it is like to be a pedestrian, cyclist or T user. We need to elect someone who represents everyone and who prioritizes the safety of people over cars.
Walsh took the T to work until late 2013. The Globe wrote about the impending change. Menino was driven to work for 20 years. And trust me, his driver was liberal with the blue lights. As someone notes below, Menino was a late convert to promoting bicycling.
But the Globe seems to love this rage-inducing photo from 5 years ago because it shows the cyclists out in the main lane, not using the bike lane and wearing no helmet. They know the demographics they are pandering to.
Missing from this image? The out of frame car thats most likely blocking the bike lane.
It appeals to ignorance - despite the fact that it's legal for a cyclist 16yo and older to NOT wear a helmet and to take up a whole lane (whether that's a good idea or not, I'll leave that up for discussion)
Downtown is full of intersections with "don't walk, for no reason" pedestrian light timing. For example, traffic has a red light and a "no turn on red", meaning that no cars can legally cross the stop line, but the pedestrians have a "don't walk" for that entire part of the cycle.
Fixing that might be a nice move to encourage pedestrians to take the signals a little more seriously. As it stands, the city has trained us to completely ignore the "don't walk" lights and instead to watch the traffic itself.
I don't understand where your hostility is coming from.
Here we have a website where people are discussing things that might improve traffic. And I made a concrete and positive suggestion.
I have, in fact, reported a couple of defective lights to 311. I don't use 311 to complain about policy matters or about problem neighbors and the like; I use it to report reasonable things that the city actually has a chance of fixing: bad potholes, burned out lights, backed-up storm drains causing flooding, etc.
The traffic light timing is so consistent that it obviously isn't a result of broken or misconfigured traffic lights; it would appear to be a result of some policy. Or perhaps some MUTCD mandate. Or perhaps some misinterpretation of a MUTCD mandate. In any case, 311 is not the forum to discuss policy.
No sidewalk due to construction. No signage to instruct pedestrians. No police detail. No place to walk but in the road with the cars. It must be the pedestrians fault for this dangerous situation.
It was not all that long ago that a certain Mayor Menino was a car worshiper who disdained cyclists. He had a satori and became a multi-mode champion, leading Boston's advance to a bike-friendly city.
This is another area in which Walsh's head in on backwards. Sure it's true that motor vehicle operators considerably outnumber cyclists. It's also true that they are observably more reckless scofflaws than even youngish cyclists. Plus cops,prosecutors and judges seem to identify with and side with their fellow drivers. The stats show drivers as a group are most dangerous and most in need of law enforcement.
Rather than pit one kind of wheels against another, our Mayor ought to put his one-day-at-a-time butt in the saddle. When he groks cycling in Boston, he'd have the context he needs.
“There’s a lot of talk about what the city is doing to make everything safer — pedestrians need to be safer,” Walsh said. “Pedestrians need to put their head up when they’re walking down the street, take your headphones off … you’ve got to understand, cars are going to hit you.”
This is the whole point of Vision Zero, right? To eliminate the expectation that cars are going to hit you when you get on a bike or walk down the street? What a ridiculous thing for the Mayor to say.
Maybe the city should take some responsibility for their traffic enforcement and road design.
A recent report from the Governors Highway Safety Administration showed an 11 percent spike in the number of pedestrians killed on U.S. roadways last year, including a slight increase in Massachusetts. The report credits the trend to distractions, like using phones while driving or walking.
“I see it all day long, people walking down with headphones on,” Walsh said. “You can’t hear a car coming, and they don’t know you have headphones on, so take them off.”
Why does it matter that a ped has headphones on. Should a driver expect a pedestrian to move out of the way? The driver legally has to stop and allow the ped to cross.
"I see it all day long, deaf people walking. You can't hear a car coming, and they don't know you are deaf..." so ??? get out of the street? never leave your home?
Mr Mayor, why don't you try actually being a pedestrian or cyclist instead of pontificating from atop Government Center. The ride from Savin Hill to Gov't Center isn't all that difficult, especially if you know that cars are going to hit you and you're taking responsibility for yourself.
But it's so aggravating to pedestrians and cyclists because it assumes everyone should be held to the same standard. Yes, of course, people in general should try to behave in a safe manner, regardless of their mode of transit.
But the bar for drivers has to be higher because they are the ones operating the deadly machinery. The idea that a cyclist running a red light presents the same danger as a driver staring at their phone is a sick joke.
Well-said. Driving involves much more risk and consequences for others, so driver should be held to a higher standard. Driving licenses are too easy to get in this country.
Cyclists who run red lights present a grave danger to themselves. Plenty of them have been killed or permanently maimed as a result. Also, since a bicycle is a vehicle, they're subject to the rules of the roads and streets, so if they survive, they, too, should get ticketed, as well.
I'm a biker, runner, walker, motorist and a T taker - but not at the same time! The one brush stroke to paint each category is ridiculous. Basically there are humans involved in every group and b/c of that they are assholes in every group.
That being said I do find that motorists, most likely b/c they can hide in their car, are the biggest offenders. Not all of them though. This is why if I am on my bike/feet and a motorist doesn't block the cross walk or perhaps stops to let me go I wave and say thank you like a lunatic. I think "maybe if I do this they will continue this behavior." Or they may just think I'm crazy. Whatever works.
We are car centric society and until that starts to change it will always be cars first.
Can't do much about idiots walking around with their headphones on, staring into their phones and randomly jumping into the street because they need to catch that pikachu.
There is a ton of room to improve traffic patterns and driver behavior. There seems to be on-and-off enforcement and improvement here. I don't expect the city to fix things overnight. but we could do better.
Walk signals are often very poorly timed. So in some places, they may encourage jay walking.
There should be some focus on making them work better.
All that said, Boston pedestrians are the worst, and Marty is unusually right on this topic.
I'll leave cyclists alone for now. They don't follow the law, but they're usually paying pretty attention to their surroundings.
Signed,
Someone who walks and drives near Back Bay & down town every day.
Seems like Mahty is doing for bad drivers what generations of people with drunks in the family have done for their sacred drunks: blame the vicitims, minimize the damage, and thus enable the behavior.
Face it: Marty is looking for codependents to enable bad driving.
Sorry, Marty: many of us are used to this sort of behavior from our besotted families - you are a codependent and need to examine what you are saying here. I'm not responsible for your bad driving - YOU and ONLY YOU are.
Out of context, his quote sounds somewhat reasonable. However, the main issue is that when someone asked him directly how he was planning to make the city safer for bicyclists and pedestrians, the very first thing he said was that bicyclists and pedestrians need to pay attention because cars will hit them, giving the example of pedestrians wearing headphones.
This was a softball question. All he had to say was that we now have Vision Zero and Go Boston 2030 and the City is committed to re-engineering our streets to be safer and that they plan work with BPD to ticket reckless illegal behavior on our streets. But nope. He decided that he would start his answer with a victim-blaming tirade about how pedestrians and bicyclists need to watch out for cars and that there's basically nothing he can do about our streets to make them safer. Never mind the fact that cities all over the US and the world have been making great strides to be safer through engineering and enforcement. (Heck even cities just across the Charles River are doing so.)
If he really thinks that pedestrians and bicyclists were the CAUSE of their own injuries and deaths, he needs to back that up with data. All the data I've seen has shown that reckless driving has been the main cause. The bicyclist killed last week? Rear ended by a speeding driver. Pedestrians killed on Beacon St a few years ago? Speeding car hopped up onto the sidewalk and hit them. And numerous cases of trucks turning across the path of bicyclists in bike lanes.
If he thinks we all need to behave better (which we definitely do), he needs to look into why people are misbehaving in the first place. Pedestrians jaywalk because the walk signals in Boston are horribly timed. Bicyclists run red lights (especially during all-walk phases) because there are no bike lanes and they would rather be in the gaps between traffic rather than in a pack of cars and trucks. And most importantly, drivers do all kinds of dangerous and careless things because they know they can get away with it. A certain amount of bad driver behavior is due to confusing streets (lack of signage and striping, poorly timed signals, etc) but a lot of it boils down to the total lack of enforcement. People know they can park wherever they want or turn without signaling or run red lights or turn from the "wrong" lane because there is no penalty for doing so.
The City has allowed a survival of the fittest situation to occur on our streets, and they have the power to fix it. But clearly, they'd rather blame victims rather than take responsibility. It's embarrassing and shameful.
I am a taxpaying resident of Boston. I want to see this man on the city's payroll. And Implement his policies and programs for improving the safe of Boston.
The driver was in motion making a right hand turn from the side street crosswalk when he decided to back up into me.
Too many illegal turns, u-turns, speeding through red lights, driving up the wrong way on a one-way street. Many are Ubers, but certainly not all. We need more enforcement on illegal motor vehicle operation.
Vision Zero is also useless when what could be a 50-foot at-grade crossing turns into an 800-foot detour up and down ramps. Why don't you read the UHub post about this incident before blaming the victim.
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Is Biksis still headed by
Al Bikedardi?
Biksis
21st century sister group to the cyclistas?
Seriously, people have a problem with the mayor pointing out that it takes two to tango and cars are not at fault 100% of the time?
I'm shocked.
Carsa Nostra?
Maybe "Our Thing" fits into the roads are only for cars narrative that so many motorists seem to believe and act upon.
Yeah but back to seriousness, of course people are going to be outraged by an out of context line like that. And they aren't wrong for reacting that way, its the same coded victim-blaming language that we see on every single discussion about cycling/pedestrian mobility.
But its always crickets when it comes to the weekly car that jumped a curb or crashed into a building or caused a pileup on 93. Wheres the finger wagging from Mayor Walsh on that topic? Shocking indeed.
Cyclists
Aren't the ones killing people with their criminal behavior.
I dunno
My husband and I were nearly hit in front of the main building at MIT on Mass Ave by a cyclist racing at high speed down the bike lane — going the wrong way. We were on the edge of the curb at the crosswalk and had just gotten the Walk sign so we were looking to our left to make sure cars had stopped, and our feet were moving in the air off the curb as he came out of nowhere. I've rarely been so terrified or come so close to death or serious injury as a pedestrian.
I've never been the same pedestrian since, and that's a good thing. I rarely cross streets now without turning my head in both directions multiple times, one-way street or not. This has kept me out of the path of at least one or two wrong-way speeding bikers in the two years I've been doing it. You will never catch me crossing streets while looking at my phone.
But I was nearly hit again the other day by a biker as I walked on the Comm. Ave. Mall. She came up from behind me and yelled "On your left" when she was on my right. Keep in mind that bikes aren't permitted there and that there are good bike lanes on either side of it.
Sidewalks in Back Bay are also becoming popular for adult cyclists these days and not just the Hubway folks. I dodge a biker almost every day. If you feel you ought to ride on sidewalks, you should still have to be accompanied by a parent or guardian, no matter how old you are.
Keep in mind that bikes aren
Keep in mind that bikes aren't permitted there and that there are good bike lanes on either side of it.
Spoken like someone who has not, in fact, used those bike lanes.
He's not wrong regarding cyclists
They constantly violate traffic laws, most notably running red lights and failing to yelled to pedestrians in crosswalks.
-Signed pedestrian
Check that light again
One of you foolish morons screamed at me for riding through a green light.
Maybe start paying attention to what you are yelleding to ... and you do HAVE to yield if the cyclist has the green light.
Grow up and get over yourself.
He's not wrong about
He's not wrong about pedestrians.
They constantly walk 2-3-4 abreast on bike paths, j-walk wherever they want, cross the street wearing all black at night expecting cars to see and stop on a dime, walk against the pedestrian signal.
And car drivers? Don't get me started.
Every transportation modality has its share of stupid people.
- Signed driver/cyclist/pedestrian.
Especially in the inner-city
I'm a pedestrian and I live in the "inner-city" ( I hate that word).
I see it every day I watch our young people especially young people of color randomly walk into the street almost challenging the motor vehicles to hit them. They seem like they're entitled a walk across the street randomly and recklessly when they feel like it and don't expect accidents to happen.
To be frankly honest, I honestly think that we need to revisit the jaywalking laws. If we do I need to enforce only civil penalties.
That's very true, anon.
Since a bicycle is also a vehicle, cyclists, too, are subject to the rules of the road, just as cars and other vehicles are. Anybody who believes otherwise is just deluding him/herself, and is in for a rather rude awakening.
As usual
both sides claim the other is completely and entirely at fault.
The realty is that drivers are speeding, driving in bike lanes and/or distracted on their phones, bikers do ignore lights and other traffic laws and weave in between cars and pedestrians do have their headphones on, buried on their phones and don't wait for the walk signal.
The reality is that the only
The reality is that the only thing all these deaths have in common is drivers. They are the only ones killing people, so the focus should be on them. Now according to Walsh people can't walk with headphones on but drivers are allowed to blast music and talk on their cell phones? That is ridiculous.
Headphones block outside
Headphones block outside noise, don't you want to hear what's going on around you?
Actually the only common
Actually the only common denominator are humans. Humans jaywalk into oncoming traffic, humans drive cars fast, humans ride their bikes without obeying traffic laws. It's not just drivers. It's not just pedestrians. It's not just bicyclists. It's humans not paying attention and/or behaving recklessly.
Right. Perhaps we're just not
Right. Perhaps we're just not seeing the reports of pedestrian-pedestrian or biker-pedestrian traffic fatalities?
How are you try to have a
How are you try to have a reasonable conversation! Wrong site!
There's plenty of fault on both sides here.
I don't think cyclists who get killed or permanently maimed by cars while riding their bicycles deserve such horrible fates, but I do think that the number of cyclists who totally disregard red lights, STOP signs, ride on the wrong side of a regular two-way road or street, or down one-way streets the wrong way, or weave in and out of traffic, or show disregard for pedestrians is large enough so that it, too presents a problem.
It's a real drag to say this, but studies have shown that at least 80% of the time, in the events of car/cyclist fatalities, the cyclist has been at fault.
Care to share any study that
Care to share any study that backs up your claim?
bad statistics
80%? Site your source.
Boston Police would disagree with you.
https://www.cityofboston.gov/news/uploads/16776_49_15_27.pdf
38 % noted the bicyclist either: a) ran a red light, b) ran a stop sign
or c) rode into oncoming traffic.
• 18% of the cases involved a driver or passenger opening a car door
into an oncoming cyclist. This represents 40% of all cases in which
driver behavior is noted.
• 14% noted that the driver did not see the cyclist.
Oh, for crying out loud...
Oh, for crying out loud...
There wasn't wrong with anything he said as a general matter.
Instead of acknowledgment of the general truth and constructive criticism to raise the topic of particular cases (which he hadn't been discussing) - a simple Yeah, that's good as far as that goes, but... - all these bike group spokespeople types are rushing to trash him and just make themselves look unreasonable and out of touch.
Once more with feeling
Who is doing the killing? MOTORISTS.
The killing?
The killing?
Is that true
First I would like to extend my deepest sympathies to all the families friends and Associates of any individual who was killed in an accident whether it was avoidable or not on a bike. There is no compensation for a human being or a life that is not the issue here may God bless each and every one of these Souls.
Do anyone have any information on the satistics on vehicle, bike or pedestrian deaths in the final report and who was at fault.
enough with that dumb mantra
I think we get that cars are inherently more dangerous. So that means that it's ok for cyclists to make up their own rules? Give me a break.
Facts and reality
We will repeat them over and over whether you like it or not.
You don't make reality go away by telling anyone to shut up. It is still there. Still measurable.
Tough Schlitz
So swirly
If you have 1000 morons willingly walking off a cliff, are you going to blame the cliff? They'd still be alive if it wasn't for that cliff, amirite?
How is a motorist at fault
How is a motorist at fault when a bicyclist hits a pedestrian?
Motorists kill pedestrians and cyclists
Show me 30,000 incidents involving cyclists hitting pedestrians and we will talk.
"OMG someone almost hit me when I was jaywalking/standing in the bike lane" doesn't count.
Just google "cyclist hits
Just google "cyclist hits pedestrian" the results may surprise you.
Yeah, sure
All the recent "cyclist hits pedestrian" situations that I know of were the fault of the pedestrian - like the guy who stepped out between cars into a bike lane.
How about googling "motor vehicle deaths" now - 30,000 per year, 10,000 are pedestrians and cyclists.
I did
Five incidents, seven years, three countries. Plus some sponsored ambulance chasing that comes up differently when you lead with different search terms.
Fail.
Meanwhile
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/nyregion/times-square-crash.html?hp&a...
A much more common sort of "hit" on google.
Oh, but did the pedestrian have headphones on when walking on the sidewalk???
To whom are these incidents
To whom are these incidents reported? If they aren't reported, there won't be any stats to look up.
No
95% of the time it's the pedestrians and the pedal mashers who are doing the killing - killing themselves through their idiotic actions.
True, but that doesn't mean cyclists don't bear responsibility.
Mayor Marty Walsh wasn't wrong when he said that cyclists, too, have to take responsibility and do what they have to do to protect themselves, as well as pedestrians, and motorists. Cyclists, unfortunately, have caused a good many motor vehicular accidents, and have even been responsible for drivers getting injured or killed, either because they've had to swerve into an oncoming lane to avoid hitting the cyclist(s), or, in the case of cyclists riding at night, because they're often not readily seen by an automobile or truck driver.
I don't even bike but Walsh
I don't even bike but Walsh sounds ignorant and out of touch. A driver just killed a cyclist and drove off to hide the murder weapon aka his car yet he is saying cyclists and pedestrians are equally at fault?! Remind me again who cyclists and pedestrians have killed...
A bike messenger caused a death during the Menino admin.
The only instance that I know of a bicyclist causing a death was when a messenger ran into a man near City Hall. That led to his having a heart attack and death.
So here is an answer. At least once.
Equally important how many people have been harmed by bicyclists? How many people have to jump to the side to avoid being hit by a bicyclist?
I nearly hit a pedestrian once because I chose to barrel through a red light. I was at fault because I did not do my job of being careful and following road rules.
Yet there is not denying that a car is a lot heavier than a bike.
All of us have the obligation to not be reckless. But I doubt if that will happen unless maiming and deaths by vehicles of any kind, for any reason, including pedestrians being stupid by shutting the world with earbuds is declared a public health hazard.
Nope
A pedestrian stepped out mid block into the path of a legally operating cyclist.
Said ped was connected and his wife threw tantrums at the police HQ until they removed the words "jaywalking" from the report.
But do go on about your fantasy that cyclists kill people. Generally, they do themselves in while motorists in this country kill 30,000 people a year.
Finally
Mahty says something intelligent.
Marty Walsh talked about an education program.
Before he starts lecturing Bostonians about something he seems to know so little about, the mayor ought to get better educated himself. As a pedestrian, cyclist, motorist and someone who rides the T, I was turned off by his condescending tone. I expect he has made things worse. Maybe he should get out more and experience the real Boston.
Agreed. Marty "I'm a car guy"
Agreed. Marty "I'm a car guy" Walsh has no clue about what it is like to be a pedestrian, cyclist or T user. We need to elect someone who represents everyone and who prioritizes the safety of people over cars.
Do a little research
Walsh took the T to work until late 2013. The Globe wrote about the impending change. Menino was driven to work for 20 years. And trust me, his driver was liberal with the blue lights. As someone notes below, Menino was a late convert to promoting bicycling.
Worth pointing out
But the Globe seems to love this rage-inducing photo from 5 years ago because it shows the cyclists out in the main lane, not using the bike lane and wearing no helmet. They know the demographics they are pandering to.
Missing from this image? The out of frame car thats most likely blocking the bike lane.
It appeals to ignorance -
It appeals to ignorance - despite the fact that it's legal for a cyclist 16yo and older to NOT wear a helmet and to take up a whole lane (whether that's a good idea or not, I'll leave that up for discussion)
Mayor Walsh: Meet us halfway
Downtown is full of intersections with "don't walk, for no reason" pedestrian light timing. For example, traffic has a red light and a "no turn on red", meaning that no cars can legally cross the stop line, but the pedestrians have a "don't walk" for that entire part of the cycle.
Fixing that might be a nice move to encourage pedestrians to take the signals a little more seriously. As it stands, the city has trained us to completely ignore the "don't walk" lights and instead to watch the traffic itself.
When is hte last time you saw..
A Boston police office pulling over a driver for going thru a red light or anything else.
THIS!!
Well said!
Did you call 311
I see your so observant about our city's problems. So how many of those complaining examples you gave you exactly reported to 311.
If you didn't report them all, could you STFU.
Snide much?
I don't understand where your hostility is coming from.
Here we have a website where people are discussing things that might improve traffic. And I made a concrete and positive suggestion.
I have, in fact, reported a couple of defective lights to 311. I don't use 311 to complain about policy matters or about problem neighbors and the like; I use it to report reasonable things that the city actually has a chance of fixing: bad potholes, burned out lights, backed-up storm drains causing flooding, etc.
The traffic light timing is so consistent that it obviously isn't a result of broken or misconfigured traffic lights; it would appear to be a result of some policy. Or perhaps some MUTCD mandate. Or perhaps some misinterpretation of a MUTCD mandate. In any case, 311 is not the forum to discuss policy.
Oh, and it's "you're", by the way.
It's a combination of policy
It's a combination of policy and incompetence.
Just Shut T Up.
I see your so observant about our city's problems. So how many of those complaining examples you gave you exactly reported to 311.
If you didn't report them all, could you just ....
I heard you the first time
And it's still "you're"
Tone Deaf Mayor
https://mayors24.cityofboston.gov/reports/101002090039
No sidewalk due to construction. No signage to instruct pedestrians. No police detail. No place to walk but in the road with the cars. It must be the pedestrians fault for this dangerous situation.
While we are at it
Walsh needs to take more responsibility for other people who drive drunk all the time.
Right?
I mean, while we are taking responsibility for the actions of other people who kill people so that the killers don't have to.
Surely the drunk driving is his doing and not the responsibility of the drunks who drive because ... DRIVING
This in a city where the streets were never designed for cars, and were paved bec
Marty as George III
...may profit by their example.
It was not all that long ago that a certain Mayor Menino was a car worshiper who disdained cyclists. He had a satori and became a multi-mode champion, leading Boston's advance to a bike-friendly city.
This is another area in which Walsh's head in on backwards. Sure it's true that motor vehicle operators considerably outnumber cyclists. It's also true that they are observably more reckless scofflaws than even youngish cyclists. Plus cops,prosecutors and judges seem to identify with and side with their fellow drivers. The stats show drivers as a group are most dangerous and most in need of law enforcement.
Rather than pit one kind of wheels against another, our Mayor ought to put his one-day-at-a-time butt in the saddle. When he groks cycling in Boston, he'd have the context he needs.
Everyone should take more responsibility
But this is ridiculous:
“There’s a lot of talk about what the city is doing to make everything safer — pedestrians need to be safer,” Walsh said. “Pedestrians need to put their head up when they’re walking down the street, take your headphones off … you’ve got to understand, cars are going to hit you.”
This is the whole point of Vision Zero, right? To eliminate the expectation that cars are going to hit you when you get on a bike or walk down the street? What a ridiculous thing for the Mayor to say.
Maybe the city should take some responsibility for their traffic enforcement and road design.
http://news.wgbh.org/2017/05/16/boston-public-radio-podcast/mayor-walsh-...
Also this:
A recent report from the Governors Highway Safety Administration showed an 11 percent spike in the number of pedestrians killed on U.S. roadways last year, including a slight increase in Massachusetts. The report credits the trend to distractions, like using phones while driving or walking.
“I see it all day long, people walking down with headphones on,” Walsh said. “You can’t hear a car coming, and they don’t know you have headphones on, so take them off.”
Why does it matter that a ped has headphones on. Should a driver expect a pedestrian to move out of the way? The driver legally has to stop and allow the ped to cross.
"I see it all day long, deaf people walking. You can't hear a car coming, and they don't know you are deaf..." so ??? get out of the street? never leave your home?
Mr Mayor, why don't you try actually being a pedestrian or cyclist instead of pontificating from atop Government Center. The ride from Savin Hill to Gov't Center isn't all that difficult, especially if you know that cars are going to hit you and you're taking responsibility for yourself.
double post
double post
an evergreen debate
But it's so aggravating to pedestrians and cyclists because it assumes everyone should be held to the same standard. Yes, of course, people in general should try to behave in a safe manner, regardless of their mode of transit.
But the bar for drivers has to be higher because they are the ones operating the deadly machinery. The idea that a cyclist running a red light presents the same danger as a driver staring at their phone is a sick joke.
Well-said. Driving involves
Well-said. Driving involves much more risk and consequences for others, so driver should be held to a higher standard. Driving licenses are too easy to get in this country.
Cyclists who run red lights present a danger to themselves.
Cyclists who run red lights present a grave danger to themselves. Plenty of them have been killed or permanently maimed as a result. Also, since a bicycle is a vehicle, they're subject to the rules of the roads and streets, so if they survive, they, too, should get ticketed, as well.
I'm a biker, runner, walker,
I'm a biker, runner, walker, motorist and a T taker - but not at the same time! The one brush stroke to paint each category is ridiculous. Basically there are humans involved in every group and b/c of that they are assholes in every group.
That being said I do find that motorists, most likely b/c they can hide in their car, are the biggest offenders. Not all of them though. This is why if I am on my bike/feet and a motorist doesn't block the cross walk or perhaps stops to let me go I wave and say thank you like a lunatic. I think "maybe if I do this they will continue this behavior." Or they may just think I'm crazy. Whatever works.
We are car centric society and until that starts to change it will always be cars first.
FTFY
Drivers
Can't do much about idiots walking around with their headphones on, staring into their phones and randomly jumping into the street because they need to catch that pikachu.
You could slow down, or not
You could slow down, or not drive if you can't handle the conditions.
This isn't 'either or"
There is a ton of room to improve traffic patterns and driver behavior. There seems to be on-and-off enforcement and improvement here. I don't expect the city to fix things overnight. but we could do better.
Walk signals are often very poorly timed. So in some places, they may encourage jay walking.
There should be some focus on making them work better.
All that said, Boston pedestrians are the worst, and Marty is unusually right on this topic.
I'll leave cyclists alone for now. They don't follow the law, but they're usually paying pretty attention to their surroundings.
Signed,
Someone who walks and drives near Back Bay & down town every day.
Car Dependent No More
Seems like Mahty is doing for bad drivers what generations of people with drunks in the family have done for their sacred drunks: blame the vicitims, minimize the damage, and thus enable the behavior.
Face it: Marty is looking for codependents to enable bad driving.
Sorry, Marty: many of us are used to this sort of behavior from our besotted families - you are a codependent and need to examine what you are saying here. I'm not responsible for your bad driving - YOU and ONLY YOU are.
Out of context, his quote
Out of context, his quote sounds somewhat reasonable. However, the main issue is that when someone asked him directly how he was planning to make the city safer for bicyclists and pedestrians, the very first thing he said was that bicyclists and pedestrians need to pay attention because cars will hit them, giving the example of pedestrians wearing headphones.
This was a softball question. All he had to say was that we now have Vision Zero and Go Boston 2030 and the City is committed to re-engineering our streets to be safer and that they plan work with BPD to ticket reckless illegal behavior on our streets. But nope. He decided that he would start his answer with a victim-blaming tirade about how pedestrians and bicyclists need to watch out for cars and that there's basically nothing he can do about our streets to make them safer. Never mind the fact that cities all over the US and the world have been making great strides to be safer through engineering and enforcement. (Heck even cities just across the Charles River are doing so.)
If he really thinks that pedestrians and bicyclists were the CAUSE of their own injuries and deaths, he needs to back that up with data. All the data I've seen has shown that reckless driving has been the main cause. The bicyclist killed last week? Rear ended by a speeding driver. Pedestrians killed on Beacon St a few years ago? Speeding car hopped up onto the sidewalk and hit them. And numerous cases of trucks turning across the path of bicyclists in bike lanes.
If he thinks we all need to behave better (which we definitely do), he needs to look into why people are misbehaving in the first place. Pedestrians jaywalk because the walk signals in Boston are horribly timed. Bicyclists run red lights (especially during all-walk phases) because there are no bike lanes and they would rather be in the gaps between traffic rather than in a pack of cars and trucks. And most importantly, drivers do all kinds of dangerous and careless things because they know they can get away with it. A certain amount of bad driver behavior is due to confusing streets (lack of signage and striping, poorly timed signals, etc) but a lot of it boils down to the total lack of enforcement. People know they can park wherever they want or turn without signaling or run red lights or turn from the "wrong" lane because there is no penalty for doing so.
The City has allowed a survival of the fittest situation to occur on our streets, and they have the power to fix it. But clearly, they'd rather blame victims rather than take responsibility. It's embarrassing and shameful.
He's hired
I am a taxpaying resident of Boston. I want to see this man on the city's payroll. And Implement his policies and programs for improving the safe of Boston.
I was hit in a crosswalk by a car that went into reverse.
The driver was in motion making a right hand turn from the side street crosswalk when he decided to back up into me.
Too many illegal turns, u-turns, speeding through red lights, driving up the wrong way on a one-way street. Many are Ubers, but certainly not all. We need more enforcement on illegal motor vehicle operation.
Jaywalker crossing Mem Drive instead of using ped bridge died
http://mspnews.org/2017/05/pedestrian-struck-in-cambridge-has-died-inves...
Please be safe out there. Vision Zero is useless when people do stupid things despite infrastructure.
Vision Zero is also useless
Vision Zero is also useless when what could be a 50-foot at-grade crossing turns into an 800-foot detour up and down ramps. Why don't you read the UHub post about this incident before blaming the victim.
Vision Zero fails when people don't use safety features
The runner who got hit crossing Memorial Drive on Sunday has died.
Please learn from this and use pedestrian overpasses, underpasses, and WALK signals when available.
WBZ talked to the family. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/05/17/memorial-drive-cambridge-pedestria...
Dude YOU need to take more
Dude YOU need to take more responsibility for your broken promises!