MS-13 leader admits he ordered deaths of two teens in East Boston

Do you actually believe there's no daylight between wanting to enforce borders and immigration laws and not "give[ing] a shit about immigrants" and "hat[ing] on people whose skin is a different tone than yours?" Like you truly can't conceive of a person who isn't a slobbering, knuckle-dragging, zeig-heiling racist who could believe those things?

Or is it something that you don't particularly believe, but don't particularly object to either, so when you get one of those little talking point emails from whatever progressive organization's mailing list(s) you're on, you write it on out here to make conversation?

For the record, I am both trolling and genuinely curious. Strangely enough, the two are not always mutually exclusive. Hence my question.

OK, your post deserves a response...so...

"OK, so you don't give a shit about immigrants, it's your right as a Murrican to hate people whose skin is a different tone than yours, but even from a completely self-interested perspective, you're being kind of stupid."

Several assumptions here. One is about my skin color. Another is about my self interest. Another is about my intelligence. But, keep it up, it almost fits the narrative.

"What you keep forgetting is that one of the benefits of immigrants in a sanctuary city is that maybe they feel they can actually talk to the police about criminals in their midst and provide the sort of information, that until your Dear Leader declares national martial law and rescinds the Constitution, is still required to arrest somebody here."

I don't forget that. You keep forgetting the word 'illegal' in front of 'immigrants'. Problem here is that the typical illegal immigrant is the ultimate prey for a criminal illegal immigrant.
Check the history of the twentieth century. Legal immigration...and those that preyed on them were their own nationality. This has nothing to do with Trump or anyone else, so your snarky 'Dear Leader' comments simply don't help. Hell, he has trouble enforcing the immigration law as it is written. Laws that were actually enforced by the Lightbringer...

"Now before you wipe the spittle off your keyboard and start to compose your libtard-slaying retort, ...based on information by people whose skin is different from yours, who are willing to talk to police."

Nice, but more bullshit. I did have to replace my keyboard, but that was because of all the popcorn in it. The immigration violation in itself is grounds for arrest. The authorities were building murder cases against these fine fellows. Busting them for immigration violations and sending them home is one thing, they'll be back, but busting them on federal life sentence level allegations is an entirely different thing. Three squares a day on the taxpayer's dime...forever...I'll accept that. They'll never kill another East Boston teenager.

"And maybe, just maybe, you'll come to realize that sanctuary cities are not sanctuaries for foreign-born criminals anymore than they are for native criminals who grew up speaking English."

Then explain the actions of the mayor of Oakland and that idiot state rep from Brockton et.al. that actually broadcast a warning about a non-existent ICE raid there (not to mention her assailing the name of a Civil War general).

"Nah, you're just going to keep misunderstanding what a sanctuary city is. OK, you can start your two-minute hate now."

I used to understand what a sanctuary city is. The 'progressives' keep moving the goalposts. Oh, as far as your repeated 'skin color' remarks...I know a guy, from Roslindale that was born in Guatemala. Light skin, blue eyes, speaks the Spanish version of the Queen's English. He has a lot of fun with that.

So, please knock it off with the skin color bullshit.

As I said above, "I used to understand what a sanctuary city is. The 'progressives' keep moving the goalposts."
See the problem here? I'm not an unreasonable person. I believe that cooperation between the community and the police is vital to get the real bad players. I, personally, know people that are active in this kind of thing and I salute their courage and perseverance.

"So if we were so 'sanctuary' in the way you describe it,"
I offered no definition of 'sanctuary city'.

"So yeah you're kinda wrong here, we DO do something about undocumented [illegal] immigrants who are criminals."
As the law requires. So, when do we get to the point of talking about the police (local) being forced by their leftie virtue-signalling political superiors to ignore ICE detainers? Murder charges are not based on immigration status. They are based on information (yup, from other illegal immigrants that put their lives in danger) and solid proof.

I agree that illegal immigrants whose only crime is crossing the border should not be in danger if they co-operate with police.

Then along comes that idiot Riccio to poison what should be an adult conversation.

So please take your ignorance and shove it in four corners.

Fed'ral laws exist
Lefties pretend otherwise
The ICE man cometh

A Sunday in March
Let's play word games to pass time
Thought twists in the wind

Can I trade a couple of MS-13 members for Melania's parents and a Russian hooker to be named later?

Immigration in the US has always been a relationship of either ignoring it or hating where the general public is concerned. In some decades its a non-issue. In other decades its the biggest national problem.

Why is it an issue today? Same reasons as the past. Perception that norther whites are loosing power for white folk, perception that immigrants are creating economic competition in a world where there is never enough for anyone. A need for scapegoating, for blaming some group as the evil group de jour. It is harder today to use the usual targets of blame as scapegoats. Gays, blacks, Hispanics, Asians will all fight back. Jews as a target? Would raise the the specter of supporters of another Holocaust.

But immigrants are an easy target. It's easy to get the larger public to be at least confused if not opposed to immigration in general. It's easier to spread FUD (fear, doubt and uncertainty) about a group that most voters probably have little contact with. So immigrants are the scapegoat of the moment.

Roman's attempt to argue that immigration as a whole is bad due to MS-13 reveals an animus against modern immigrants. Just as American's didn't want greasy Pope worshipping Italians decades ago now it's the lawless gangsters who are immigrants and come from lawless societies.

The word salad about lawlessness is not only a poor use of inductive reasoning to try to link immigration with violence but also hypocritical and racist. If by lawless societies the meaning is Central and South American nations then to the extent lawlessness exists the US is largely responsible.

But the broad brush of lawless societies also declares that there are nations which are wholly lawless, as though that is the norm. As though the people in those societies are incapable of living in lawful societies. In other words people who are incapable of living in civilized societies. People who do not have the fill in the blank that allows them to live as civilized citizens. Fill in the blank with genes, "the blood" or race.

This is racism at its fundamental level. Not just an animus against people of a different skin color or hair type. But a belief that there are superior human beings and inferior human beings. Lawless societies are societies composed of individuals incapable of lawful living. In other words inferior human beings.