Jews, who once thought that, as a people, they could relax in the United States, who thought that, finally, here is a country where they did not have to worry about being slaughtered simply for being Jews, are now being forced to consider that maybe that's not always going to be the case, by growing evidence that not only are there people out there who want them dead (we've always had anti-Semites) but who are now turning their fantasies into reality with AR-15s and the support of certain national leaders.

That's the context in which I used the word "forced."

I don't know how to say it

By anon on Sun, 04/28/2019 - 11:39pm.

or how to help, but hate crimes like this make many of us non-Jews sad and angry. I think a lot of people don't know what to say or do.

Vote and push back

By BostonDog on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:34am.

There is a correlation between the rise in hate crimes against minorities (Jews included) and what Trump and others are saying. Trump didn't make these people but he is encouraging them to bring to reality what was previously confined to their heads.

No there isn't

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:40am.

If I had to put blame anywhere, I'd place it on people like you.

Right now, you're the only ones telling the small but nonzero number of violent racists out there that their star is rising. And guess what: if they keep hearing it from you and the media echo chamber, some of then will start believing it and a few will act it.

Like my big brother used to say

By Lanny Budd on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 11:46am.

If I had to put blame anywhere, I'd place it on people like you.

STOP HITTING YOURSELF!

Blame Anybody But the Guy Catering to Nazis

By Pete X on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 12:11pm.

After the last Synagogue shooting "Roman" blamed the "American Jewish Community" for not defending themselves properly. Now he's blaming people who call out white supremacists.

Progress?

"Roman" is blaming

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 6:57pm.

the American left for building up the 10 foot tall white supremacist.

Time was, you'd mock these people. Now, I'm being told to cower. And under no circumstances make any effort to defend myself.

Go fuck yourself.

"Be a positive influence for all to see"

By Pete X on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 7:53pm.

Aw, friend, it must hurt to be called out on your constant dishonest enabling of white supremacy.

Such a positive influence

By perruptor on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 6:35am.

You actually think you're a positive influence? Very far from it. By consistently defending one of the most despicable humans on the planet, you have a decidedly negative effect. Your telling someone to fuck themselves is characteristic of your negativity. This website and the world in general would be better for your absence. In other words, if you want to have a positive influence, disappear.

Hey look. He's telling a Jew to go disappear

By Roman on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 12:29pm.

My conscience is damn near clear, friend.

I do make mistakes, but most of the time when I tell people to go fuck themselves, they've got it coming to them just about every single time.

so not this time then? got it.

By Robert on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 1:03pm.

wow.

you really are bad at this.

go fuck yourself.

whaaaaa

By Robert on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 8:07am.

get your own line. you human paraquat.

"I bet you'll be jazzed when you discover all the other four letter words in the english language."

you are such a goddamn submoronic piece of shit.

continue to find a way to go fuck yourself. you miserable asshole.

I love this

By boo_urns on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 12:30pm.

You come in here thinking, somehow, that you're going to pull a fast one on us with your bad faith line about "being a positive influence for all to see," get called on it, then start throwing a tantrum when people correctly and justly call you out on it.

What do you even get out of commenting here?

Living well does not mean being a pushover

By Roman on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 3:46pm.

And telling people to go disappear for having an opinion you don't agree with is not being a good influence.

Do you think you're talking to a child?

Yeah, basically.

By boo_urns on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 3:55pm.

Considering how much whining you've taken to here, I'd say that's probably rather accurate.

Telling someone to disappear, however, because they're effectively sympathizing with radical white supremacists or anti-Semites, is probably being a good influence.

But lying about someone by calling them a sympathizer to white

By Roman on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 4:40pm.

supremacists is not being a good influence.

Though calling people out for such lies very much is.

Perhaps you think ...

By perruptor on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 5:29pm.

you're Lamont Cranston. You're not. You do not have the power to cloud men's minds. We all see what you do here; who you defend, the ideas you endorse, the dishonest arguments you make. Give us another wall of irrelevant words, why don't you? I doubt that anyone reads them any more. They're like you, a waste of space.

Sometimes I suspect Roman merely thinks he's a bad widdle boy,

By MC Slim JB on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 5:34pm.

spraying swastikas on the back of the school gym 'coz it's, like, super wicked naughty.

Then I apply Occam's Razor, and think, "Naaah, obvious effing Nazi-coddler, just a cowardly weasel about it." The simpler, more obvious explanation is usually the right one.

Come to think of it

By Roman on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 8:05pm.

I don't believe I've ever drawn a swastika in my entire life.

But go ahead. Tell me about myself, O internet oracle.

The simplest explanation is that I actually do believe what I say for exactly the reasons I state. No conspiracy theory required.

I'm speaking

By MC Slim JB on Wed, 05/01/2019 - 9:01am.

figuratively. But of course you can't miss a chance to miss the point.

Where's the lie, though?

By boo_urns on Wed, 05/01/2019 - 11:07am.

n/t

Just live well.

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:37am.

Be a positive influence for all to see, including yourself. Don't dwell on negativity and grievance and fear. It has a tendency to amplify itself and become a self fulfilling prophecy.

And watch out for your friends and neighbors and family.

Worship services via video...

By theszak on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 5:34am.

Worship services via video... for example https://tisrael.org/live-stream/

Conversely

By Waquiot on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 11:29am.

People should be able to attend the services of whatever religion they belong to without fear of violence.

Just a thought.

Orthodox Jews do not use computers or the Internet on Shabbat

By Ron Newman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 12:04pm.

That is true

By An Orthodox Jew on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 2:35pm.

However most Jews are not Orthodox, and might use technology freely on Shabbat, or might limit their overall use but use it mindfully for things like a streaming service if they can't get to a live one. That's why that synagogue to which the other poster linked uses computers on Shabbat to provide streaming services. Some modern Orthodox folks even use technology mindfully on Shabbat.

Punk Torah. Online Synagogues.

By theszak on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 1:13pm.

Yes

By Ron Newman on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 8:44am.

Temple Israel, who provide that streaming link, are a Reform congregation in Boston.

The Chabad congregation in San Diego, like all Chabads, is Orthodox, so it would never broadcast its services this way.

Observance. Computer, phone practices.

By theszak on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 9:19am.

Meanwhile, Trump is now claiming that

By MC Slim JB on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:02am.

the "very fine people" who were chanting "Jews will not replace us" at Charlottesville were simply honoring Robert E. Lee's memory.

Bullshit. Read the transcript

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:31am.

Read the transcript.

"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides...[George Washington had slaves etc]...And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-tru...

Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.

Roman has a point...

By Kaz on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:38am.

Trump was trying to defend the honor of people who really like the general who led armies against our country...not the jew-haters who where also trying to defend the honor of the general who led armies against our country.

Totally different!

Play all the word games you like

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:42am.

Believe it or not, life is messy and it's possible to think that slavery and secession were bad AND that the statues to Confederate soldiers should not be taken down.

Play all the word games you like, but

By MC Slim JB on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 11:03am.

Trump demonstrates an obvious pattern of frightening authoritarian impulses: ongoing attacks on law enforcement and the free press, silence in the face of terrorism and hate crimes borne of right-wing religious bigotry and xenophobia, and refusal to acknowledge a swelling movement of right-wing thuggery, vigilantism and extremism. Every other President before him would have been much more aggressive in countering this movement; Trump cultivates it. It's a pattern we've seen before.

[Cue the mealy-mouthed both-siderism argument.]

Not really

By adamg on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 11:04am.

Could you point me to the location of all the statues in Germany of Erwin Rommel?

Robert E. Lee was a traitor

By adamg on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 11:30am.

Stonewall Jackson was a traitor.

JEB Stuart was a traitor.

Nathan Bedford Forrest was a traitor.

All the commanding officers who fought for the failed Confederacy were traitors, whose treason led to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans.

There is no honor in the memory of a traitorous, murdering, duplicitous racist (even for his time) like Lee, let alone his subalterns.

How dare you suggest they should be celebrated for anything, save their passing from this earth. At best, their names should be scratched in some mud, the better for us to trample on and erase forever.

Yes. They were. And

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 2:01pm.

if you're prepared for all that's going to happen as a consequence of retroactively deciding that the correct course of action is retribution for their acts of treason rather than what had been the pragmatic consensus of "malice towards none," then you'd think it's a really good idea to remove those statues and make a show of doing so.

If, however, you make the calculation that forgiveness is a better path than vengeance, 150 years later, then you might conclude that leaving the statues up is a good idea. Just like it would be a good idea to not put up any more of them.

Look up the history

By BostonDog on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 2:43pm.

The statues were largely installed during the Jim Crow era by people opposed to the civil rights movement. They have nothing to do with "forgiveness". They were designed as a symbol of racism and hate. If built today they'd be sculpted wearing MAGA hats.

Do some arithmetic.

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 3:00pm.

The Jim Crow era was at its height about a hundred years ago. Right around the time a lot of civil war veterans and/or widows were at the end of their lives and had time and money to burn on what can quaintly be termed 'acts of civic engagement' like putting up statues.

Yeah

By BostonDog on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 3:37pm.

And these people who risked death in an attempt to preserve slavery couldn't possibly be racist and angry at Blacks demanding equal rights. I'm sure they erected the statues with nothing but love in their hearts for their fellow Americans.

I did the math

By Pete X on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 7:54pm.

So your response to statues explicitly put up in defiance of the outcome of the Civil War, statues intended as threats to anyone seeking racial equality is to say..."so what, they're old"?!

Not too intellectually honest, are you Roman?

Also, maybe read a book some time? The Lost Cause myth, which led directly to the construction of these statues, was engendered immediately after Appomattox by confederate leaders like General Lee, while other confederates like General Forrest turned terrorist and started the violent organization that led to the KKK. The statues of these Generals were being erected while black politicians, voters, and supporters of universal suffrage were being murdered by the thousands all across the south as part of a successful campaign to strangle reconstruction in its cradle.

You know which Confederate General supported reconstruction and fought to prevent the racist slaughter? One of the South's best and Lee's most trusted advisor, James Longstreet. You know who doesn't have any statues or schools named after him. James Longstreet. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

Those statues aren't "part of history", they're part of a carefully constructed, racist lie intended to SUBVERT history.

For people who aren't intellectually dishonest, who aren't familiar with the pernicious Lost Cause myth-making and it's damaging influence even today, I suggest listening to this podcast, it covers the real history in great depth. https://gimletmedia.com/shows/uncivil/n8hv4k/the-spin

Luckily for the Union...

By Michael Kerpan on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 9:01pm.

... Lee blew off Longstreet's advice on a few crucial occasions. Longstreet was an interesting individual -- much moreso than the lesser generals the Lost Cause folks idolize.

Possibilities are endless

By Kaz on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 12:11pm.

It's also possible to think that you're not racist AND that Trump is a messiah.

The possibilities are endless as to what the human mind is capable of squaring within itself so as not to damage its own psyche.

Even granting your point, which I don't

By Michael on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 11:20am.

Trump has had ample opportunities to flatly state that racist violence needs to end, in short words, and not in mangled circle-the-airport walls of words that people like you and his other supporters can pretend to parse and interpret however they like, when supporter and foe alike know *exactly* what he is trying to say.

And he never has, and he never will.

All the time. Just not with a broad brush.

By Roman on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 2:03pm.

Again: tarring everyone who thinks the statues should stay up as racists and murderers does no one any good. Trump actually did the responsible thing here.

Just like W did the responsible thing and condemned the 9/11 hijackers and their fellow travelers but not the entire Muslim world.

As opposed to today's Republicans

By adamg on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 12:21am.

And fellow travelers like Whatshername McCain, who somehow are blaming a member of congress for the murder of a woman celebrating Passover by a right-wing Jew hater.

You're always a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day

By Roman on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 1:36am.

If it somehow makes you feel better to believe your guys are only capable of good and my guys are only capable of evil...go for it. Just don't blame me when that balloon pops.

Logic chasm

By Kaz on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 9:22am.

Meghan McCain falsely blaming Ilhan Omar for terror attacks doesn't equal Ilhan Omar is only capable of good and Meghan McCain is only capable of evil.

Be gone, illogical goblin.

Dont forget

By Old Groucho on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 10:33am.

the boasting of sending migrants to sanctuary cities as his "sick idea"

America is toast, innit?

Very poor choice in wording

By anon on Mon, 04/29/2019 - 9:33pm.

Very poor choice in wording for the headline

No, it was a very deliberate choice

By adamg on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 12:21am.

As explained above.

All Democrat candidates must kiss the ring of vile Sharpton

By O-FISH-L on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 2:07pm.

WHEREAS,
the Reverend Al Sharpton's vicious verbal anti-Semitic attacks directed
at members of the Jewish faith, and in particular, a Jewish landlord,
arising from a simple landlord-tenant dispute with a black tenant,
incited widespread violence, riots, and the murder of five innocent
people... In Congress by U.S. Rep Joe Scarborough (R-FL, now MSNBC), March, 2000

I'm glad that our host alluded to the antisemitism of some modern day politicians, especially when the Democrat "Road to the White House" requires a mandatory visit to the vile, antisemitic Rev. Al Sharpton (D-NY), best known for fueling violence against Jews that he called "blood suckers," "diamond merchants" and "white interlopers." Don't forget that according to visitor logs, the celebrated Jew-hating Sharpton, despite his well known antisemitism and millions of dollars in federal tax liens, was an honored guest at the Obama White House 80+ times, entering through the front door while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was snubbed. As the left guarantees a safe space for those who hate Jews, Rep. Ilhan Omar's antisemitic comments are more easily understood when viewed through the Sharpton-Obama lens.

On a brighter note, it was encouraging to see the wounded rabbi and the Mayor of Poway taking a moment to specifically praise President Trump for his phone calls immediately after the attack. It was also interesting to note from his own writings that the "right-wing?" shooter despised President Trump for being too good to Jews. Of course, most of those facts were omitted from later news coverage. It was refreshing too, to see the people of Israel planning to name a town in the Golan Heights after President Trump. At least the people of Israel can see through the cruel antisemitism of the far-left NY Times.

"The anti-semitism of the New York Times"?!

By MC Slim JB on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 2:25pm.

Glad to see some things remain constant, like the fact that Fish is still a laughable feckin' eejit.

Trump is a Nazi-coddler, and an inspiration to right-wing hate crimes and terror everywhere. Keep sniffing your own transcending colon, you sad old man.

Pop reference

By Kaz on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 2:59pm.

He's referencing the latest "fake news" hysteria from his favorite media sources which caught a Portuguese editorial cartoon depicting Netanyahu as a guide dog leading a blind Trump around in the New York Times International Journal opinion section this past weekend. The jew-as-dog trope being an old anti-Semitic one. The Times then pulled the cartoon and apologized and said it would reform the international journal's editorial process.

But obviously since a single bad editorial decision in one arm of the NYT publishing group got through, the entire news organization hates Jews...according to the right-wing noise-o-sphere.

Refreshing?

By Kaz on Tue, 04/30/2019 - 3:01pm.

Yes, it's so refreshing to have a president that's manipulated into making stupid decisions based on how many things are named after him.

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