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Hey, remember when everybody got upset because some protesters shut I-93?
By adamg on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 9:27am
State Police shut I-93 north in Dorchester this morning so the Patriots could have an easier time getting from Gillette to the airport.
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Shutting down the expressway or any highway with fast moving
Shutting down the Southeast Expressway, or any other highway with fast-moving vehicular traffic on it is especially way beyond the height of stupidity. At those high speeds, it's especially difficult to slow down, let alone stop, and further increases the chances of serious injuries and/or deaths.
It's not like the police cruisers suddenly come
to a screeching halt, or large barriers magically appear in the middle of the road (as happened with the protesters). They use a procedure called a rolling roadblock to slow down the traffic in a controlled manner so it eventually comes to a stop.
And, as the 'convoy" they're escorting to continually moving, unlike when they use a rolling roadblock to highway work, the delay to traffic is minimal.
The point is, however,
that the Southeast Expressway is extremely tense anyhow, and shutting down traffic on it, for protesting, or whatever, just makes an already nightmarish situation a hell of a lot worse.
I'll also add that, since there are times when I've had absolutely no choice but to drive on the Southeast Expressway. Even at "off" hours, traffic has been slowed down rather horrendously due to accidents, construction, or whatever. Protestors who insist on blocking such freeways, however, tend to make already-horrific situations worse.
Please tell the Hub
When was the last time you actually had to commute to a job?
I drove in with my husband and neighbors the day of the BLM protests. Heading southbound into the city was actually within the bounds of the usual mayhem, and we honestly didn't even notice anything out of the ordinary.
Removing the exclusion on the carpool lane has done vastly worse mayhem to traffic than any single protest or accident ever did.
And this morning? Traffic is still well off of the pre-pandemic peak on most roads. Not as clear as in May, but many office bots are still at home until at least January.
You're missing the point, SwirlyBabe!
I work at home, but you know what? I've had to drive on the Southeast Expressway to get my car serviced by the dealer who I purchased my car from a bit over seven years ago, to go to Yale Supply and Lighting down in Dorchester to buy new needed supplies, and I periodically go down to Bird & Reptile Connection, where I purchased my pet Congo African Grey parrot, in order to purchase supplies, and to board her when I'm going away on long trips, or even overnight trips, and to have her flight feathers and nails clipped.
Having said all of the above, I've got no other option but to take the Southeast Expressway when I go to all those places, so don't go telling me that it doesn't count, don't try to undermine or underestimate me, and don't get feeling too snotty or virtuous. I worked at a job for sixteen years, which got outsourced, plus I had a supervisor who was just about as much of an asshole as you are.
Over and out!
You’re still going to the dealer?
For a 7 year old car? Can I have some free money too?
Are you kidding?
I don't have free money. I trust the mechanics who work at the dealership where I purchased my car more than I'd trust a lot of these independent gas stations/mechanics. Anyway, what the fuck do YOU care who I go to to get my car serviced?
I am not kidding
I’ve done pretty much everything on a car except rebuild an engine and swap out a transmission. You can do no worse than the dealership. They are mostly dishonest.
Very few independent shops are dishonest. Their name is on the building, they have pride in their work. I’ve never been ripped off by an independent shop. The dealership has recommended work that didn’t need to be done several times.
Dodge
I took my Durango for a recall to the dealer in Medford and they tried to recommend I replace my timing belt. I had to ask them how exactly they would accomplish such a task since my vehicle doesn't have one. They had to think on that one.
They then tried to charge me $1000 for recall work and wouldn't call FCA to to get it covered so I had to do that and make FCA call them and tell the dealer to cut the crap. So dealers I've dealt with are shady.
A lot of dealers are somewhat shady, although
some are shadier than others. The same thing goes for the majority of Insurance companies. I once got another car of mine serviced at a branch of the long-since defunct Monroe's repair shops, due to a brake problem. Not only did they charge me much too much (over five hundred dollars), but they put in a some re-built brake calibers, to boot. When I talked to a Toyota dealer service person about it, and described what happened, the service person told me that Monroe's shop had totally rooked me and charged too much, and that replacing the break calipers, especially with rebuilt ones, was absolutely wrong, and unnecessary, and that if I'd come there, all that would've been needed was to lubricate the calipers that were already in there.
A few years afterwards, I ended up getting my first new car. I've been driving Honda Civid 4-door sedans since, which I love.
So what? I had an independent
So what? I had an independent shop charge me for changing the PCV valve when my car didn't have one. Therefore should I conclude that all independent shops are shady?
Okay, so you know about how to repair cars?
That's all very well. Not everybody does, however, and I'm admittedly among the ones who don't know about how to repair cars.
I've had at least a couple of instances when i've been rear-ended, while stopped at a STOP sign or a red light, and, in both instances, I've used Tech Auto Body, on New Street, in Cambridge, to get the damage repaired. They've done a fabulous job.
Dealers are parasites there
Dealers are parasites there to suck you dry and lie to you. I cannot wait for this bill to hopefully pass.
Wow
This has to be the dumbest derail ever, Matt.
post of the year candidate mplo
It might get a runner up to one of LaTulippe's sexual excursion posts, but this is solid. Nice work.
Why...Thank you!
:)
Details anyone?
Pete, given your defense of the legal extortion called details, I am reminded of the person living in a glass house throwing stones.
I don't really defend them I don't tihnk.
I haven't done one in 15 years. But they make some good money for the City while offsetting health care costs in contract negotiations over the past 30 years.
I second that post of the year nomination
MPLO is the hero that UHub has needed for a long, long time!
Oh the Humanity!
Occasional errands that can be scheduled for times of day when traffic is reasonable. Wow. How harrowing that must be to a retiree!
Try commuting downtown by various modes at rush hour for fifteen straight years. Or into the Longwood Medical Area.
Are you kidding? I commuted for many years,
both to and from school, and to various jobs, both from suburban Lincoln, Ma, and in the city, for a good number of years, so don't get feeling too snotty, or virtuous like you always do. I'll also add that one of the reasons I moved from the idyllic suburbs to the city is precisely because commuting such long distances, and having to battle rush hour traffic became such a headache for me.
You may think you're hot stuff, but I find you totally arrogant, nasty, and intolerant of anybody who doesn't think the way you do. Public transportation around here has never been that great, either.
I'll also add, SwirlyGrrl, that the Southeast Expressway is the absolute worst route here in Boston. Not only is it rush-hour 24/7 on that highway, but it's got a lot of the most aggressive drivers, to boot.
More projection than a multiplex
Good thing we got popcorn!
Go to hell, SwirlyBitch.
Bye!
Warning
mplo can't tell compliments from friendly jabs.
Ha ha ha!
You're the one who's projecting, Sweety-assed bitch!
Okay
Whatever you say, "Miki".
Or is that "independentminded"?
It's both, actually.
:)
It depends on the kind of website that I use, and the kind of mood I'm in.
OK ...
Now that we've all gotten that out of our systems, please find somewhere else to vent, 'kay?
venting ok
misogyny isn't. It's actually possible to disagree with Swirlygirl withing being a sexist asshole. Any rules about that? Preempting the guys on this site going crazy, this isn't Swirlygirl but have you ever wondered why so many women remain anonymous on this site (and we exist)? See above and most responses to swirlygirl
hey listen, anon.
I happen to be a woman myself. So don't go calling me a sexist asshole.
Curious
What does the parrot have to say about the commute?
https://www.cnn.com/travel
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/swearing-parrots-moved-park-scli-gbr-...
Another place you need to drive to
Anger Management Therapy. I recommend that you get into it before it becomes court-mandated.
Ahhhh.,.shut up, Irma la Douce!
Speak for yourself.
"office bots"?
Swirly, give it a rest. This is pretty shitty.
The point is this
Slowing down traffic in a controlled manner to give a convoy of buses carrying a group of people to a specific destination (in this case Logan Airport) is far safer than having those buses fend for themselves in the chaotic "free for all " conditions normally found on the Southeast Expressway.
The point is this
I’d like to hire a detail to stop traffic and slow down everyone else’s commute so I can get to work easier but I can’t. Just because they can, and get away with it doesn’t mean they should. They should leave earlier just like everyone else or fly at off times.
Not to mention the police would laugh me out of the barracks if I asked them to do this.
Oh, I see. They deserve
Oh, I see. They deserve safety that the rest of us do not.
Using a rolling roadblock in this instance
maximizes safety for everyone. Not just the bus occupants.
Wouldn't helicopters do that?
Wouldn't helicopters do that? Why should the taxpayers pay for an escort that disrupts traffic? Isn't there a closer aiport for their private plane?
The Patriots pay them
nt
please prove that. With
please prove that. With money or tickets?
Paid by the Patriots
“The escort of the Patriots’ buses is a regular, longstanding detail paid for by the team to ensure secure transit to the airport, similar to any other paid detail escort for motorcades or specialized material transports,” Dave Procopio, a state police spokesman, told Boston.com in statement. “Because we make every effort to minimize disruption to motorists, today’s escort necessitated a lane closure that lasted only approximately three minutes.”
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2020/10/05/new-englan...
Ever been to an event in Foxnoro?
Here’s a tip - don’t park in a non-Patriot’s lot because they pay the police that empty the Patriots lots before the others. Same thing here.
What about the other buses
What about the other buses that travel through the HOV lane daily?
Plus
The buses that used to get a HOV lane but now do not coming in southbound? All because, without any review, some special snowflake DOT wanker doesn't want to have to use the three non special lanes!
Unless POTUS redrew the map,
Unless POTUS redrew the map, Foxboro is south of Boston so they're not driving to Logan via Medford.
What's so special about these particular buses?
If these buses need the road shut for safety, why shouldn't every bus get the same treatment? And every car and truck, for that matter?
Helicopters
That probably explains the helicopters buzzing Dorchester this morning. Or who knows, could have been almost anything, a fire, and accident, a shooting, or whatever.
That's interesting
I was watching Sky Eye (or whatever) footage of the buses going up the Expressway, it it sure did look like there was moving traffic on the northbound side.
It depends on what time of day it is, however.
Both the morning and the late-afternoon/evening rush hours, are extremely brutal, especially on the Southeast Expressway, where it's rush-hour 24/7, because it's always crowded.
????
What do you even know about it?
For fuck's sake, I know plenty,
because I've driven on the Southeast Expressway enough times, both at rush hour and off hours. If personal experience doesn't count, then what the fuck does?
Lol.
Lol.
LMAO off at you too, SwirlyAsshole!
: O
False equivalence, but thanks
False equivalence, but thanks for playing!
Oh, sure
And I sure hope there wasn't an ambulance stuck in that traffic. Somebody could have died!
Oh, wait, I'm sorry, that was one of the arguments with the protests.
Well, you know what, though?
This, imho:
is a perfectly legitimate argument.
It used to be that:
A) Protestors did not shut down highways with fast moving traffic on them.
B) The people who organized such protests would make the protestors move aside in order to let ambulances and other emergency vehicles through. When a seriously ill or injured person is being transported to the hospital, time really is of the essence. Every second of every minute of every hour really does count. The fact that nowadays ambulances are often forced to take a longer route to a hospital can and often does have rather devastating affects. Frankly, I think that before totally shutting down traffic, especially at rush-hour, people really should consider that there are people needing to get to important medical appointments, or get their pets to the animal hospital on an emergency basis, or to get to work on time so they won't lose their job.
It was wrong then, it is wrong now
It was wrong then, it is wrong now.
They shouldnt be slowing down traffic to let the Pats buses get to the airport. Its not like its a commercial flight. Its a charter.
There's a special lane on the Southeast expressway for
people taking carpools, and for buses, I think. That's a good thing.
An ambulance
That started out to drive to Boston after the road was shut when Providence was closer!
Grimace et al wanted to shut down 93 until World Peace was had.
This was done to achieve a real world result (get people to the airport), then open it up to others as quickly as possible. I understand if you disagree that it should have been done, but still a false equivalence.
false equivalence
this is true - in one case, the highway was shut by normal people seeking to amplify a righteous message
in the other, the state shut the highway because some sports guys had to get to the airport since their game was postponed on account of their star qb contracting an incredibly contagious illness
priorities, amirite?
What's with your sarcasm, berkleealum?
I don't have a lot of sympathy for "normal" people totally shutting down traffic, especially at rush-hour and/or on a freeway, just to amplify and emphasize a righteous message.
Secondly, shutting down the Expressway because some sportsmen had to get to the airport was a stupid move, as well. Why couldn't they have been airlifted to the airport? They should've been.
Thirdly, berkleealum, I disagree with you. Over and out!
Adjustment needed
Adjust sarcasm detectors.
Airlifted?
Sure, land a few Chinooks in the stadium parking lot and off you go.
If you whine about that BLM protest
Please tell me that you didn't support Proud Jerks blocking roads and checking IDs during wildfire evacuations.
I don't support the Proud Boys either, SwirlyBabe!
Don't fucking give me shit, honeybabe! I don't give a good goddamn who it is who does the blocking of traffic, especially at rush-hour, for their own stupid-assed agenda. It's beyond stupid.
Wow
Somebody has been triggered!
ha ha ha!
That somebody who's been triggered is YOU...by a long shot!
I think you need to have
I think you need to have another one of those chats with adam.
I thought they have their own
I thought they have their own planes and flew out of Providence?
They used 2 airplanes and airports today
They used 2 airplanes and 2 airports today to separate those who were close to Cam Newton and those that werent
Why not use BED like the
Why not use BED like the Celtics and Bruins do?
Yeah, but we like the
Yeah, but we like the Patriots.
So...
You hate black people and their right to live? Got it, prick.
Ha ha ha!
You hate people who have different opinions on how things should be done? Got it, asshole.
Dick off
Where did he give a suggestion on how things could be handles differently? He literally said "but we like the Patriots", implying the dislike of BLM protesters so save it. And do you have any suggestions? Since silently kneeling, obtaining a permit to protest, succeeding academically to attempt to get into positions of power, donating, begging, pleading, crying, starving, etc are all inconvenient for folks like yourself? Get on, respectfully.
Ahhhh, get lost, citybabe!
You're so right! I don't like inconvenience, no matter what or who is inflicting it, and I never did. I've never liked protesting, and never will.
And there we have it
"I just don't see why I shouldn't be able to sit at the lunch counter just because a bunch of Negroes think that they should be able to sit there! How dare they inflict this inconvenience on me!"
You're missing the point, sweetie!
Things are way different than they were back then.
(No subject)
You're right!
Back then it was other people being inconvenienced, so it's easy for you to say that it was the right thing to do. But now that you're the one being inconvenienced, it's a big problem.
I don't care what you or anybody else thinks, fungwah
In the first place, that was a whole different time. Secondly, people who are asserting their rights to sit in a lunchroom or wherever, and to be served like everybody else is not the same thing as holding up traffic and causing people to be late to work, important medical appointments, or bringing a sick pet or pets to the emergency room at Angell Memorial Animal Hospital, or wherever.
Also, there were more than likely plenty of other lunchrooms, etc., where people could go, who wanted to get a bite to eat.
"that was a whole different time"
Google "Letter from Birmingham Jail" and get some perspective.
You really need to read up more on the civil rights movement
I'd start with reading up on the Selma to Montgomery marches, in particular some of the arguments being made against them:
Saying that protests for equal rights should only be done in a way that is convenient for others is just a way of saying "I don't actually care about this cause". I'd really recommend that you look inward and consider why you consider your own convenience to be more important than the lives and rights of others.
Not only have I read plenty about the Civil Rights movement,
but people in my family were involved in the Civil Rights movement. So don't give me any of your shit, FungWah.
I'll also add that that bunch of stupid-assed idiots who insisted on blocking the Southeast Expressway also got into these big round hollow cement objects, and then chained themselves together, were not part of the Black Lives Matter Movement. One of the demonstrators who worked for Mayor Marty Walsh got fired by him, and she should have.
if, however, BLM supports that sort of tactic, then that doesn't speak so well for them as a movement.
Sounds like
a real threat to public safety.
And a bunch of traffic violations.
Probably we should endorse any means necessary to ensure that the roads remain clear no matter what, right?
Again - it's pretty easy to say "I would have supported the movement had I been there, after all other people I know did". But when push comes to shove it sure seems like what really matters is peoples' convenience.
mplo stays in the moment
somewhere in the center of the universe.
Yup! That's right!
So what?!? I prefer it that way!
you don't communicate any information
Your replies seem to disagree with your other replies.
just some facts for you.
on 1/15/15, rte 93 in Milton was blocked by protesters that stated they represented Black Lives Matter. All of the major outlets reported that. If someone disputed that, that's interesting maybe you could share the link. I was able to find information about the city employee that was fired. Thank you for mentioning that, I am disappointed to learn that the city chose to do that.
Blocking the highway is a desperate and dangerous thing to do, but black lives are in danger. I reject the ambulance argument because that ambulance could have gone from Easton to Brockton if some greedy insurance companies thought that Brockton deserved a level one trauma center.
I really don't give a shit what you say or think, cinnamngrrl.
I don't reject the ambulance or other emergency vehicle argument, because I stand by my opinion that it's a legitimate one. It used to be that the organizers of demonstrations that involved sitting in the middle of the street blocking traffic at least had the good common sense and decency to make the protestors move aside to let ambulances and other emergency vehicles through, and with good reason: When a seriously ill or injured person is being transported to the hospital, when a fire engine is rushing to the scene of a fire, or when a police car is rushing to the scene of a crime, in which an assault, robbery, or possibly worse is in progress, time really is of the essence. Every second of every minute of every hour counts--big time. Even the smallest delay can be extremely dangerous in emergency situations.
Also, maybe more people should ask themselves: Suppose a loved one, friend, neighbor, acquaintance or co worker is in that ambulance being transferred to the hospital, or has another emergency that needs to be tended to?
I recognized that link that you provided for me to read, cinnamngrrl, because I read that article back then, when it first came out. I wasn't impressed with the protestors who insisted on shutting down the Southeast Expressway, got into those big cement things, and chaining themselves to each other, and I'm not impressed by that now.
me, me, me
This isn't about you. I don't think you understand what you are saying.
Oh, come off of it, will you, CinnamonGrrl!
I understand exactly what I'm saying, so don't be like SwirlyGrrl and the other posters on here who try to undermine me. I'm a hell of a lot smarter and more aware of stuff than you and other posters on here care to believe, so don't get feeling like a martyr, too snotty or virtuous.
you don't work here
So what are we undermining? Doesn't it feel pathetic to type out curse words? What is your point?
this
is the most honest and straightforward answer i’ve seen
respect!
Without looking at the
Duration traffic was halted between the two, this is just a shat comparison.
Further the busses were accompanied by State Troopers, whereas your comrades just walked onto a busy highway.
I appreciate the state taking
I appreciate the state taking the extra precautions when moving a biohazard through a heavily populated area.
Best comment
of this train, uh, bus, wreck thread.
I'm no Pats fan, but I wouldn
I'm no Pats fan, but I wouldn't label them "biohazard".
...especially while the Jets and Giants are still in the league. ...sigh...
Per the MSP.
The lane closure lasted THREE MINUTES. What a great comparison Adam!
A 3-minute closure causes
A 3-minute closure causes problems for more than 3 minutes. How long did it take the jam to clear?
I dont disagree
But 3 minutes is not comparable to 2 hr.'s and 15 min.
7:30am to 9:45am.
https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/police-protesters-shut-...
I'm sure this was much more
I'm sure this was much more structured and less of a safety hazard than having thousands of human bodies standing in the middle of the highway during rush hour.
worst debate ever?
Is there an award for worst U-Hub comment debate ever? This is a contender.
Who pays?
I was in Foxboro at about 9:45am the week the Dolphins played at Gillette. The Miami buses received a state police escort down 95 and off to the stadium. I'm guessing this happens every week when the Pats play at home. A) Is this really necessary? and B) I hope the NFL is paying for the overtime.
The teams
Do pay.
Same thing happens at BC games
Police escort for the visiting teams' buses between their hotel and Alumni Stadium and usually postgame to Hanscom or Logan.
I've also seen bands getting an escort out of the Xfinity Center
The college & pro teams also
The college & pro teams also get an arrival escort as well- the college teams also travel with a local/ state cop from their area as well- which is 1 difference between the NFL and college
Kneel for the millionare football players
Shame on the state police for shutting down the highways for a bunch of pampered players who play in the National Felons League.
Bread and circuses
What we know.
The owner of the Patriots visited a massage parlor which was located in a strip mall. Reminds me of the upstairs stress relief businesses in Chinatown that can include, I assume at a higher cost, a happy ending.
The Patriots company can afford it's own jet.
The short lived excitement of men pretending to war with each other is highly prized while basic civil and criminal justice is well, they're nice ideas but not worth spending more than a nominal amount of money toward guarranteeing these fundamental human rights.
Roman citizens were placated with bread and circuses while suffering was everywhere. Seems that many of us are still pretty much living the same way. The technology and amount of blood letting is different. But the values are the same.
Reminds me of the Star Trek episode when the Enterprise crew visits a planet where ancient Rome continued to the present of television. Maybe ancient Rome is still here, albeit different technology.
The police are tools of the
The police are tools of the rich. Same with the military. Trump has peaceful protestors attacked so he can have a photo op. This patriots thing is a smaller example but still pretty gross.
Two points:
Xway Stoped for the Patriots
They better have paid a lot for this privilege. This has to stop. This is just plain bullshit.
The Patriots don't need or
The Patriots don't need or deserve special escorts and closures to facilitate getting to the airport for their cushy charter to an away game - they could just get up early enough to take care of business (including Covid screening) like the rest of us.
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Special escorts and the like should be reserved for important things - like Doug Mirabelli.
I'm old enough to remember
When State Police said they wouldn't do that again:
Apparently this is different?
They don't care because they're a gang
The State Police are the most dangerous, vicious, despicable gang of thieves in the Commonwealth.
That depends on who one comes across,
if one gets the drift. There are some State Police, or police, generally who are vicious thugs, and there are police, generally, and State Police who are decent people who care about others. Generalizing is never a good thing, really.
"In General"...
...MA State police has stolen millions of dollars from the taxpayers of the state through a fake overtime scheme, and needs to be completely overhauled. In general, everyone in charge needs to be removed. In general all individual officers responsible need to be fired and forced to pay restitution.
Thank You
Was waiting for the Doug Mirabelli joke. It came in late and a little fluttery, but it got over the plate.
Faux Outrage
If people are so concerned about roads being jammed or blocked, then we should probably cancel the Boston Marathon, and certainly not have a red sox game on the same day. Maybe someone can weigh in on how this didn't cause delays getting injured the day of the marathon bombing? What if there had been twice as many bombs? How could ambulances have handled those casualties?
There is this joke of an idea that a peaceful protest or sports motorcade is somehow equivocated with terrible traffic that blocks ambulances from saving someone's grandpa from a heart attack or the cops rushing to catch a crazy murderer or a fire engine rushing to safe a building full of orphans being waylaid by traffic. Before the pandemic, we called that A WEEKDAY. Ever drive to the Cape between June - Sept on a Sat or Sunday?
A random protest or a third rate sports team isn't going to do much besides allow people on both sides to bitch.
Also, I'm guessing the dude who only goes to the dealer but doesn't trust small shops is...a little racist. But that's just me. We used to go to Urb Chambers for our Honda when we had a coupon or for the recall, but they are generally disorganized and hacky and overpriced so after the first year, went to our local shop for everything but recalls.
Well.....
The Boston Marathon was cancelled for this year, as was the annual St. Patricks Day parade down in Southie, for a damned good reason: The Covid-19 pandemic.
I was on the expressway
and I didn’t see any traffic blocked. The buses had an escort similar to a funeral procession and nobody was stopped. Fake news.
You have to realize, however, that the link
about the I-93 shut down, is about something that took place over 5 years ago.
Forward to more recently, however, if you drive on the Southeast Expressway, and it's smooth sailing, it's a matter of luck, because it's always been crowded most of the time.
Wow... this thread de-evolved pretty quickly
I’m going to cuddle with a stuffed animal now...
Bad omen for the future of woke, pro sports
Not long ago, many of those same Boston motorists would have proudly volunteered to carry the Patriots buses on their backs to Logan. Now they are angry that the police briefly halted traffic for the team? At some point, this incident will be featured as a footnote in the timeline on the death of professional sports. Just reading today that our once beloved Red Sox NESN ratings down over 50%! NBA finals with far-left LeBron down 68%. If the local NFL franchise, the winner of six Superbowl Championships in the last 19 years, is criticized by its own fans for a momentary traffic delay, that can't bode well for the future of professional sports. Go woke, go broke?
Hilarious
I'm having a real good laugh trying to figure out exactly what manufactured issue has your butt hurt this time. Looks like "all of them"? Other people don't like sports enough and this is a problem for you in your little cabbage patch, really?