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Citizen complaint of the day: And take your stupid bike lanes with you

A fed-up citizen in South Boston is outraged that his or her hallowed right to double park on Broadway has been taken away by a lame Hubway station:

Get rid of these stupid things! They are taking up valuable parking spaces. This is a high traffic area right in front of a busy store and Dunkin Donuts. Someone is going to get hurt! There is a parking lot 50 feet away with an area on the side off of the main street to place these bikes that no one wants to ride.

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There is a parking lot 50 feet away with an area on the side off of the main street

Hope someone at the city hall replies to use the parking lot, jackass.

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I was gonna say the same thing.

or better yet RIDE A BIKE, dillhole.

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Is it a public parking lot? Hubway could rent space in a private lot, but a customer of an unrelated business can't just show up and park there.

Riding a bike is a good idea. But that's not the same thing as dealing with Hubway and its expenses and limitations. And a Hubstation doesn't make it easier to ride a private bike.

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Double parking is dangerous and impedes other people in cars, pedestrian, and cyclists..

Forget about city buses having to get around them, it's just a nuisance from people that think their shit don't stink, and that unfortunately know that BTD doesn't enforcement in the neighborhoods, let alone the police.

At most these smaller Hubways take up 2-3 legitimate parking spots. hardly something to get cranky about. It's even worse that it's an argument for double parking there.

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You're obviously not from around here, so please keep your uninformed opinions to yourself. By the way, "being from South Boston" and "living in South Boston" are two different things. So if you do, in fact, live in South Boston, your opinion still doesn't count.

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I would say born and raised not a implant!your comments mean nothing to us original South Boston people!

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Little salty eh?

It's ok. Like the boomers, the locals are going to be a thing of the past soon. Sorry, time marches forward!

So I'll sit here and just smile and keep not caring.

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Pushing minorities out of their neighborhood = Bad, Gentrification

Pushing White locals out of their neighborhood = Good, Progressive

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Pushing assholes out of their neighborhood = always good, irrespective of race.

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LOL!

Pushing racist assholes that have 3 family members addicted to drugs out of MY neighborhood = even better!

- The Original SoBo Yuppie!

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I am originally from Southie. I bought and developed many 3 family homes over the years. I just want to say thank you for making me all of this money!!! Keep overpaying for rent and condos you morons.

On a side note, I wonder how long before a few minority families move in, crime goes up, yuppies move out and Southie becomes a slum?

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Anon.

So salty.

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On a side note, I wonder how long before a few minority families move in, crime goes up, yuppies move out and Southie becomes a slum?

I am originally from Southie.

Gee, I never would have guessed.

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it already is a slum

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Yuppies can have our town it is not the same anymore you will never know the original South Boston. You'll never what Southie was like growing up! Growing up in a town where everybody knew each other all the memories that We carry in our heart. So pedal away on your little bikes in little bike lanes pay $600,000 for two bedroom condominium speed up the street to South Boston your BMW try to fit in with the rest of us but you can't!

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It was about blind hatred of anyone "other."

And even if you were born and raised in Southie, but you had aspirations to get educated and get off the dole and out of the projects, it was about blind hatred of you, too, "What, you think you'[re too good for us?"

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"You'll never what Southie was like growing up! Growing up in a town where everybody knew each other all the memories that We carry in our heart."

We do know... stabbing grandmothers, getting addicted to drugs, throwing rocks at buses, dropping out of high school...etc

"try to fit in with the rest of us but you can't!"

the last thing any of us want to do is fit in with a bunch of degenerates.

Oh, I forgot to mention robbing banks.

- The Original SoBo Yuppie!

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You`re a fucking clown. You have a lot to say hiding behind a keyboard, but.wouldnt dare open your mouth like this in public. Ive.lived in Southie my entire life, everything i have i worked for. Mommy and Daddy didnt pay for college unlike most of you spoiled.brats. I put myself through school, i dont do drugs, im not a criminal, im not racist. You wonder why we dont like yuppies, its because you think you can come here and get.your own way, im sure youre used to it but thats not how life works. So keep thrpeing your.little tantrum and grouping.us all together but be mindful that it can happen to anyone. Hope your kids arent addicts, wont get sympathy from us

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Ok sobo YUPPIE! Today, you can't walk home from one of your local YUPPIE BARS at 2am with out being ROBBED STABBED OR SHOT. Back in our day before the Invasion of useless air heads, we could walk the street late at night without having to look over your shoulder everyone knew their Neighbors. You could leave your door and windows open. We had Southie day, Kelly's Landing, Gormans, Worthwools, Sands and more. You wanna throw in addicts let me tell ya something Addiction Don't discriminate!

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Back in our day [...], we could walk the street late at night without having to look over your shoulder

Umm... depends who you mean by "we", paleface. Certainly if you were sporting a suntan you needed to stay the hell out of Southie or fear having your head kicked in.

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is that why you reply "southie" when someone asks where you're from? we don't want to fit in with a bunch of materialistic, shallow, self-absorbed, idiots that are stupid enough to over pay for anything with the word "urban" associated with it us low life high school drop outs (as you all falsely believe) are laughing all the way to the bank with yr money

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why the Yuppies are so quick to move to an area where they are hated so much?

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... the squirrels in the Common seem pretty pissed off that I want to walk through "their" park, but their disapproval doesn't have a huge impact on my behavior.

Just for the record, since I've been kind of snarky in this thread: I don't hate Southie. I have deep family roots there. I do hate the provincial, ignorant, chip-on-the-shoulder attitude that some Southie subcultures embrace.

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Our rafters were here long before your insular Irish ancestors discovered potatoes, let alone starved for want of them. Watch your front and your back - we are coming to liberate our homelands from the two-legged plague and all its nasty loud motors and little metal contraptions!

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Yeah, growing up where Steve Flemmi was molesting young girls and nobody had the balls to do anything about it except take his hush money. Who the hell WANTs to know the original South Boston?? We can't get rid of it soon enough.

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Don't always believe what you read! Your doing a great job getting rid of it too! Lol. Since you all invaded the crime is up higher than it was when Flemmi and Bulger were around!

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the crime is up higher than it was when Flemmi and Bulger were around!

Yeah, 'cause those guys never committed any crimes.

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is crime actually up, or could it just be victims aren't afraid of going to the police and being called a "rat" by a rat anymore?

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Has nothing to do with being a rat! We didn't rob old ladies and rob young woman at knive point! We had respect for our neighbors. We weren't rude, ignorant and spoiled little brats living off mommy and daddies money. Today's South Boston is not Southie anymore, all newbies will never understand what kind of town it was. Leave all your meaningless comments but one thing just remember your 600,000 condo was built probably in a week! Hahahaha laugh is on all you all NEWBIES

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We had respect for our neighbors

well... at least for the ones that were the right skin color.

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You all talk about this "respect" for your neighbors, clearly none of that has carried over. And just like you get all butt hurt about being labeled as druggies and prostitutes it's funny how you assume anyone living in the neighborhood is living off their parents money. Especially since most of the local townies inherited their houses from their parents and grandparents and didn't buy them either. Congratulations on making money in real estate, I would be nicer to the customers though so the well doesn't dry up.

Also there is a lack of basic economic understanding in this forum. I live in southie now and can walk easily to work. Even with the inflated rent, it still cost me about the same as what I was paying to live in the suburbs plus the cost of commuting into the city everyday, and I lose a couple hours off my commute.

And just an FYI, the locals care a lot more about the Yuppies than the Yuppies do the locals. I really couldn't care less what any of you think of me, I'm just going to keep going about my business in what is now my neighborhood as well. War is over folks. The Yuppies have won.

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"You're obviously not from around here, so please keep your uninformed opinions to yourself."

No. I am not and I am very, very, proud of that. We all know whose opinions count. The people that don't stab grandmothers, are not hooked on drugs, don't break into cars and most importantly aren't racist.

I am not from Southie, but I live and RUN SoBo.

- The Original South Boston Yuppie.

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I wasn't going to respond to any more of your ignorant comments... but you have successfully forced me to. I really love how you constantly bring up the worst of the worst when trying to insult lifelong Southie residents, in particular their drug habits. I find that quite funny because I know for a fact your lips would be sealed in a room full of those same people you despise. Do me a favor, Google Stephen Lynch... or Jack Hart... and get back to me. Even better, tell me where you grew up so I can investigate what turrible shit has gone down in your hometown and post senseless comments online to... feel tough? Is that your ultimate goal? Please feel free to go to a community meeting and spew slander, let me know how that works out... we aren't perfect, and clearly you aren't either, grow a set and speak up (publically) if you really want to back up what you continuously type.

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Translation: "My people use violence and intimidation to silence their critics."

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"I'm a gaping vagina, whose activism starts and ends with the right click of a mouse button."

Critics like the "Original SoBo Yuppie" deserve to be silenced. His comments are backwards-thinking and unproductive, much like those coming from the very same people he critiques. However, I was not advocating violence, simply offering him an opportunity to voice his opinions. Aside from a few bad apples you'd be surprised how many lifelong Southie residents just want what's best for their neighborhood, their homes, and their families. Those values are quickly fading here and that realization has become the primary source of resistance to change.

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The people of old-school Southie had their fun electing and re-electing the likes of Curley, Louise Day Hicks, and Dapper O'Neill, during which they laughingly thumbed their noses at the people who wanted clean government, who weren't "Irish", or who weren't part of the corrupt political machine. They did an enormous amount of damage to Boston.

What goes around comes around. For the other side, I'm sure It felt great to ram busing down their ignorant, provincial throats and watch them scatter like rats to the south shore.

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You say gaping vagina like it is some sort of bad, inferior thing.

You must not be able to remember where you came from, eh? I mean, it was the first day of your life and all, but ... so very sad that you hate your own mother like this.

Shame on you.

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I would argue that "Why don't you come say that to my face." is not really an invitation to voice one's opinion, it's a threat.

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Sorry my comment was for Yuppies BeGone not Rose!

Yuppies Rule! Townies Drool!

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I love how you have to have been both conceived and born here to have any legitimate opinion on anything related to the city. It's the default comeback of the provincial "all change bad" crowd.

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the amusing thing about differentiating between "being from South Boston" and "living in South Boston" is that it doesn't matter; they're both terrible.

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You are 'missing the point'. This isn't about double parking.

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also - every time I've driven through there I've had no problems finding on-street parking - you might not be able to find a spot right in front of the place you're going to, but it's not like you have to walk very far (this isn't the back bay). I'm baffled by the double parking on broadway - there can be a spot 3 cars up, and people will just pull over and jump out of their car and leave it there for 10-15 minutes while they run into dunkies... there's a dunkies 1 minute away on old colony with a drive-thru.

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Maybe people like that Dunkin' Donuts at Schuberts they can get the coffee pay their bills get scratch tickets. No need for those bikes to be parked outside!

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people who run errands use bikes - some might even use hubway. There are plenty of parking spots 50 feet away. People walk 1/4 mile from their car at south bay, but you cannot walk 30 seconds to get coffee? sounds lazy to me.

Anyway - the rest of the city really wants hubway - we'll take your station if you don't want it.

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Bikes are just the best option for a family going shopping or an elderly person grabbing a cup of coffee, DILLHOLE!

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Double parking is illegal and plenty of families manage go to dunks on their bikes DILLHOLE!

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Read the story DILLHOLE! It is NOT about double parking. It is about legal parking in a LEGAL spot. Adamg should be ashamed of himself for misquoting the original post and creating all of this mess.

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Boy, I have never seen anyone riding a bike drinking a coffee or eating a donut. Do bikes have cup holders for coffee? Must get quite messy. You are taking business away from the merchants in that area by having a hubway bike rental on the street instead of up on the sidewalk where it should be. Bikes do not bring business to merchants, not like vehicles do. They can transport more people & product than a person on a bike. Who goes grocery shopping on a bike? People in cars bring more money to merchants than people on bikes. End of story!!!

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There should be a "show the applicant a picture of a bike and take a blood pressure test" component to the Registry licensing process

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Looking around all i see are disgruntled cyclist.

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...at least you've only seen one. After looking around. There are THOUSANDS of disgruntled drivers, but I'm glad to hear there's only one disgruntled cyclist. Somebody give that person a big hug.

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oh boy! This is gonna be good!

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It sounds like they're upset about losing a place to single park.

While I don't know the specifics of this neighborhood, sometimes it's frustrating that short-term parking in business districts (which is often the only parking nonresidents can use) is always lowest on the totem pole, and is the first to go when they need space for something else. (And I'm a person who bikes far more than I drive.)

What about the Hubway van's hallowed right to double park while it shuffles bikes around?

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Get rid of these stupid things! They are taking up valuable biking space. This is a high traffic area right in front of a busy store and Dunkin Donuts. Someone is going to get hurt! There is a parking lot 50 feet away with an area on the side off of the main street to place these cars that no one wants to drive.

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i am upvoting you.

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Not so! The bike lanes are right to the left of the parking spaces. Maybe the city should crack down on double and triple-parking wherever it occurs, because that's what presents a real danger to people, whether they bicycle or drive in their cars. Moreover, double/triple-parking makes it extremely difficult for emergency vehicles (i. e. fire engines, ambulances and police cars) to get through, because it often causes traffic jams and bottlenecks to form that result in delays in getting to the scene of a crime, a fire, or to a residence or business in order to transport a seriously ill or injured person to the hospital. Time really is of the essence in all three of those cases, and double/triple parking makes things much more difficult than they really should be.

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Once again, this is NOT about double parking!!!! It is about taking up 3 legal spots. These bikes in fact are in the street in these spots. Look at the picture!

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This isn't about bike lanes either. Not sure why this is even being discussed. Geez people ,enough with the bike lane arguments. You have made it through life without them so far like millions of people all over the world. Just get on your bike and ride.

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Actually, millions of people all over the world have bike lanes, and have for decades. They use them to reduce their gasoline expenses and get exercise, fancy that.

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Actually blah blah blah. If you want to ride your bike get on it and go. What is so hard about that? You have survived this long without one.

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I dunno, I think it has something to do with the whole "wanting to ride safely and not get run down by a car" thing.

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The Boston Fire Dept. does not want these bikes or bike lanes on the streets especially the main streets like East and West Broadway. They said they have purchased new wider and larger fire trucks that will be impeded by bike lanes because it will not give them enough room to navigate the streets. Safety before bikes and bike stations.

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Maybe the city should crack down on the unleashed dogs at Medal of Honor Park thanks to their irresponsible owners. Dogs running around the park present a real danger to people, especially children. It's not a dog park, yupsters!

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I mean, double parking, Dunkin Donuts...too easy.

"Nobody wants to ride these things," Yeah right-- that's why the racks are often totally empty or totally full. And why I see them on the road every day. I had my doubts about Hubway at first but it has REALLY taken off. I use it myself from time to time and completely enjoy it.

So shut yer noise hole, 'outraged citizen' ! You'll have to double park just a few feet away.

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So there!

Wahhh wahhhh WAHHHHHHH wahhhh!

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Drivers actually do have the right to park in any legit spot on the public road idiot.

Drivers pay excise tax, registration fees, inspection fees, and obligatory insurance. Yes, drivers do have the right to use the roads.

In addition, bikes belong in the bike lanes and should also carry mandatory insurance. The rules of the road apply to all vehicles on it: cars, bicycles, motorcycles, mopeds, unicycles, rollerskates, rollerblades, cross country skis. Get it yet? Your fixed gear does not give you induction into the Hell's Angels.

I'm getting back to work. Cyclists, please get back to organizing the shelves at your volunteer, vegan, gluten-free coop now.

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when drivers demand improvements to the public roads, they actually have to demonstrate a legitimate need for those improvements (Google "traffic signal warrants" for a basic example of the concept I'm talking about).

Yet, when the cyclists want "necessary" improvements that actually do little to improve traffic flow for everyone (changing two travel lanes everyone can use to one travel lane and one bike lane does NOT improve overall congestion), what do they do? They go crying to the politicians and get an idiotic law passed mandating MassDOT and local communities to provide bicycle accommodations as part of road repair and improvement projects, even if said accommodations are not practical or justified.

And the worst part is that, once the bike lanes are in place, the cyclists who demanded the lanes are not even legally obligated under current state law to use them. Yep, taxis can't park in a bike lane even for a moment to pick up or drop passengers, but the cyclist can ignore the lane completely and meander all over the road if they choose. Imagine what would happen if we freely allowed pedestrians to walk in the road where sidewalks are available, or allowed car drivers to drive on sidewalks instead of the roads.

The cyclist groups like MassBike constantly preach "Equal Rights - Equal Responsibility." Perhaps it's time they actually practice what they preach and get solidly behind a number of very rational ideas - such as registration for cyclists, traffic violations while on a bike going on a person's driving record, requiring proof that proposed cycle infrastructure improvements are truly necessary AND in the best interest of all road users, and insisting that cyclists be required to STAY IN THE D@^^ BIKE LANES when they are provided.

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As you are "roadman", I'm sure you know of how 100 years ago, cars kicked cyclists off the roads they had acquired through the Good Roads Movement. Maybe cyclists should never have shared the roads so generously.

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Roads are a shared resource. Lane markings, traffic signals, signage, laws, and the like are intended to improve use of this shared resource, by improving safety, improving efficiency by keeping traffic more orderly, and the like. Some of these desires are easily quantifiable, some of them less so. For instance, there has been a lot of study on how and when traffic lights improve traffic flows, so there is a fairly easy quantitative formula based on traffic volume which can be applied to determine whether a traffic light would be warranted.

Bike lanes are a lot newer, and less well understood. I remember just 10 years ago, when there were fewer bike lanes and they were much more poorly designed, such as frequently staying to the right of right turn only lanes guaranteeing conflicts. These days, I see a lot more that merge with or cross the right turn only lane earlier, giving you a larger window do do a cleaner merge with fewer conflicts. But this has only been in the past 10 years or so that this has happened. I don't think that traffic engineers and standards bodies have enough data to create a quantitative model for them like they can with traffic signals.

Beyond that, it's something that's harder to collect data for, because many cyclists avoid roads that don't already have facilities. Traffic signal studies can be based on existing traffic volumes, but you can't really base bike lane studies on existing traffic because people are avoiding the area specifically due to the lack of bike lanes.

But anyhow, even without quantitative studies, these are being installed based on democratic processes. The whole point of a democracy is that if you don't like the "idiotic laws" that get passed, you lobby your representatives for a change or work to vote them out of office.

I'm not really sure what to say about your complaints about cyclists using regular lanes. First of all, we create dedicated lanes for certain classes of usage because those forms of usage help reduce impact and congestion. For example, that's why we have HOV lanes, and dedicate bus lanes, and separate railroad tracks, and the like. It's not like someone says "hmm, I wonder who should get special privileges", there are real reasons for wanting dedicated lanes for certain forms of travel.

That said, it's not practical to put bike lanes in everywhere. There are some roads that are too narrow for it, or some roads where traffic is light enough that there's really no need, people can share the lane without causing congestion. On those roads, it makes perfect sense for cyclists to use the regular lane.

Now, on roads where there are bike lanes, it is still sometimes necessary for a cyclist to use the whole lane. Despite you protestation that "taxis can't park in a bike lane even for a moment to pick up or drop passengers", as a cyclist who uses bike lanes all the time, I can tell you that they absolutely do stop in the bike lanes to pick up and drop off passengers, and I've never seen a cop hassle them about it. Delivery vehicles, double parked cars, cops, and so on all do as well. Cars that are parallel parking will also frequently wait in the bike lane until there's a break in traffic or another car leaves before they park. Sometimes you need to get out of the bike lane to simply make forward progress. Heck, if you drive at all, you should be familiar with this; cabs, delivery vehicles, people picking up passengers don't always stop in a parking lane, they will frequently block an entire travel lane, so you need to merge into the next one on the left to get around them.

Beyond that, as I mentioned, planners aren't always all that familiar with bike lanes, and there aren't really good standards yet. A lot of times, people will try to squeeze a bike lane next to a parking lane in which they are both too narrow, so the bike lane is directly in the door zone of the parked cars. Most people exiting cars don't bother to check for oncoming bicycles, so dooring is a real danger. It's sometimes necessary to ride outside of the bicycle lane because you see several cars that are parked a little too close to it, and you want to avoid being doored.

There can be other hazards in a bike lane; potholes, glass, pedestrians. Sometimes these hazards may not be obvious to you when driving a car (a pothole that would just be an unpleasant bump to a driver could be deadly to a cyclist).

Cyclists also need to use the regular lane for turning left.

Bike lanes can be great for helping to provide shared expectations; they give cyclists some room that is dedicated to them, and help keep the traffic patterns obvious. That doesn't mean that they are or should be slavishly adhered to.

You ask what would happen if pedestrians were to walk in the road. Well, they already do, and do so all the time. They walk in the road to cross (and no, not always at a crosswalk or with a light). They walk in the road to avoid obstacles on the sidewalk. They walk in the road because there's snow. Or they just walk in the road because it's wider and more pleasant and it's a back road without much traffic and they can step onto the sidewalk if any cars come. Or heck, when some large event lets out like a game at Fenway, pedestrians frequently entirely clog the road on their way back to their cars or the T or their bikes.

And cars do drive on sidewalks as well. For one, they must drive across sidewalks to enter most driveways. And there are some places where drivers will drive their car up onto the sidewalk to get it out of the road when parking. And I see cops and maintenance vehicles on sidewalk/bike paths all the time (sometimes, frustratingly, parked right in the middle of the lane and blocking me on my bike).

There is no reason to be completely absolutist about "cyclists should never be in a travel lane if there's a cycle lane available" or "pedestrians should never be in the road if there's a sidewalk available". Instead, everyone should do their best to be respectful of other users of the road. If you're a slow moving vehicle and obstructing traffic, pull over to let traffic by. If you're a pedestrian in the road and a car is approaching, step out of the road to let it by. Likewise, if you see a cyclist or pedestrian in a travel lane, don't get too upset by it; they're probably there for a reason, and they'll probably get out of your way as soon as it's safe to do so.

As far as your "very rational ideas", you do realize that the reason that there's registration, traffic violations going your license, and so on for drivers is that cars are substantially more dangerous and have a substantially higher impact on the road and congestion that bicycles, right? I mean, yes, you can find a freak case here or there where a cyclist has killed someone riding their bike, but even with all of the training, traffic citations, and safety features that we put so much effort in for cars, cars still kill far more people than bicycles do. The reason we don't have all of these things for bikes is that they just aren't necessary. There are lots of things that people do that are slightly unsafe, where the costs of regulation are not considered worth the benefits of lowering risk.

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drivers have rights? the last time i checked, there is no amendment for the right to drive. driving is a privilege, and it's a damn shame that somebody's blind frustration over getting a cup of coffee gets in the way of a great system that helps people WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO DRIVE.

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This isn't about double parking. It's a about taking up 3 spots in an already congested area.

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Parking spots don't belong in the New Boston, it suppose to be a granola eating liberal utopia.

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....then it's about double parking. I gare-ahn-tee.

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Well, in this case you are wrong.

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don't you mean 6 parking spots?

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Where is the HubWay data on which stations get used enough to be worth the use of space and capitol expense? Which ones are not worth keeping in a location and could be tried elsewhere?

With all the double parking claimed, need for automobile parking is clear.

Since exercise is a goal of bicycling, putting the HubWay station a few feet away in a less prime location makes much sense!

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Here's the Hubway usage data, in easily parseable form with every Hubway trip between July 28th 2011 and the end of September 2012. It even includes dozens of different visualizations of this data.

So, can you tell me where I can find equivalent data about usage of parking spaces? How many people are served, on average, by a parking space daily?

And by the way, exercise is only one of the goals of bicycling, and frequently not the primary goal. Usually people are trying to get from one place to another, as cheaply, quickly, and conveniently as possible. The exercise is a nice side benefit. One the fallacies that many people make when complaining about cyclists is assuming that their riding is purely recreation or for exercise, and so why should I who need go get somewhere be blocked by someone who's just out having fun. While in reality, most urban cyclists are on the road to get somewhere, just like the drivers.

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This will end well.

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Those farkin bikes are BLOCKING DUNKIE'S!!!!!!

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Born and raised in South Boston and I don't see what all the fuss about the bike lanes is about. With or without bike lanes I will continue to ride my bike down the streets as I have since I was 5 years old. If some people feel as thou they need a bike lane.. So be it. Personally I think it's a waste of breath.

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is lucky with the mostly one way street grid layout and all. I always wonder why people use the main throughways to bike personally, as there's no need for it until you're actually leaving Southie.

Good luck getting a bike lane down East 3rd street though

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And while you're at it get riddah bus stops. Only losers and old ladies ride the bus! Buses take up a wicked amount of pahking spaces and take up too much room on teh road!

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Why aren't the traffic laws enforced in South Boston? Double parking, parking against traffic, parking next to fire hydrants, U turns are all things I see each and every day when I walk around Southie on my lunch hour.

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And it's not like the buses actually use them anyway.

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Aren't we beating a dead horse here?

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There's a dead horse taking up a parking space now too??

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So want to upvote you now.

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Looks like the upvote buttons are back. So now you can!

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It's a dead _yuppie_ horse.

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Yes, they are. And Adamg obviously got beat up by someone from Southie when he was a kid (or last week). He uses every opportunity on this un-original site to bash people from that neighborhood with his snarky lead-ins.

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I didn't grow up around here and when I was at an age when I had to worry about bullies, a friend and I discovered the formula to avoiding getting beaten up: Convince the bully that you were just absolutely, completely batshit insane, so insane we were the kind of people Jim Croce would write a song about after we got done with him (no, don't worry, no people were harmed in our act of terrifying insanity, nor were any illegal weapons involved - but it was quite the convincing act, at least for our school's Bully in Charge, who eventually got sent away for punching the equivalent of a vice principal in the eye).

As for today's post, hey, I didn't file the complaint.

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C'mon, Adam, fess up. You've been posting all these crazy anti-bike rants from Southie in an effort to discredit that fine neighborhood.

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you didn't write the post but you add little insults (hallowed double parking spot) which the poster never even mentions. I have seen it time and time again from you on your site. Why not be a little more objective (and accurate) with your lead ins and let the comments do the talking? You seem like a reasonable person-thats my challenge to you for the new year!

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If it's so unoriginal, why are you spending time reading it and scrolling through all these comments?

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Yes, back when roads were the domain of horses and wagons, road apples, urine, and dead horses were roadway problems. None of that with cars. Its not like pedestrians were so safe back then - horses got spooked or otherwise ran wild hitting them. Police have mounted patrols for good reason. Boston developers were also pleased at the departure of horses - former barns and carriage houses turned into human housing and other.

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We need more bike lanes and dog parks!

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Let's get rid of ALL cars in Southie and take over the town!

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We'll simply run you arsss over!

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Where are the helmets for the bikes? Let's sue the city for not providing proper safety equipment.

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Some people over at MIT are working on helmet dispensers to place at the Hubway stations. Apparently. Who knows when they will actually get purchased/installed and whether or not people will actually use them.

Also you can't sue the city for using a private service that pretty clearly states in their terms of use that you will be good and wear a helmet. FYI.

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You can buy one online on the Hubway website when you purchase your membership. They also provide links to stores offering low cost helmets for Hubway users.

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Cyclists over the age of 16 may choose to wear them or not wear them. Since Hubway requires riders to be over 16, they have no legal requirement to provide them.

Usage data from their first two years show one head injury in over 700,000 rides: http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/05/01/bike-share-h...

As for this cyclist? I wear a helmet when I ride Hubway. My husband and I attach the Hubway key to said helmet, and use the helmet like a giant key fob. This also keeps the key from being lost in our offices or going through the wash in a pocket, and keeps the helmet available.

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I wear a bicycle helmet whether I'm commuting to appointments and errands here in the city or going for a long-distance recreational bicycle ride out in the country. One can take a nasty fall while cycling anywhere. Moreover, one doesn't have to be under the age of 16 to be vulnerable to a severe head/brain injury by failing to wear a helmet while on a bicycle. Adults, too, have sustained serious and/or life-altering or life theatening head/brain injuries due to not wearing a helmet while bicycling, after taking a bad spill. Sure, bicycling is great exercise and a source of enjoyment, but why spoil it by refusing to wear a helmet? It's stupid, imho, not to wear one.

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... but I've never worn a bike helmet in my life. I bike almost every day, even in the middle of winter; usually to Wonderland Station to catch the Blue Line, but other places too. However, my bikes don't have seats and I do much of my braking by dragging a foot (which also works as a warning signal to pedestrians). Sitting on a bike seat and wearing a bike helmet would ruin the freedom and reduce the enjoyment I get from biking.

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protecting my brain, which I must use for designing silversmithing pieces that I produce from getting scrambled or worse in the event of a fall doesn't lessen my enjoyment of bicycling, but it enhances it.

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Commence South Boston bashing!

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Pumpkins ready ... should be able to reach West Broadway from the roof of a Fort Point office building, by my calculations!

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Fort Point is South Boston.

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All your base are belong to us

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Just take the T leave the bikes at home

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Oh, you mean that system that collapses under the weight of rush hour several times per week?

Stand on the platform at Davis when there is yet another announcement of RedLineFail, and see those folks who have their bikes locked up nearby head up the stairs in droves to ride to work.

Ask any noob cyclist commuting to work what led them to start riding, and it's good odds that the T becoming increasingly unreliable was part of the appeal.

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I was reading a comment that said "leave the bikes at home and take the "T". I saw the most ridiculous site yesterday. I live on West Broadway and was looking out the window and saw a MBTA number 9 bus with a bike rack on the front of the bus with a bike in it. I never noticed that our buses had these racks on the front of them. Now how ridiculous is that. Make up your mind. Why ride a bike in the city only to get on a bus and have the driver have to stop and waste time putting your bike on this rack so you can ride the bus. This makes absolutely no sense at all. People, next time you are out and about, look at the front of our buses, they have bike racks. Maybe not all of them but most of them do. Did they always have them and I just never noticed?

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I was reading a comment that said "leave the bikes at home and take the "T". I saw the most ridiculous site yesterday. I live on West Broadway and was looking out the window and saw a MBTA number 9 bus with a bike rack on the front of the bus with a bike in it. I never noticed that our buses had these racks on the front of them. Now how ridiculous is that. Make up your mind. Why ride a bike in the city only to get on a bus and have the driver have to stop and waste time putting your bike on this rack so you can ride the bus. This makes absolutely no sense at all. People, next time you are out and about, look at the front of our buses, they have bike racks. Maybe not all of them but most of them do. Did they always have them and I just never noticed?

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being able to upvote comments.

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This is probably won't be popular, but can't everyone chill a little? There no need to tell the other is old and justify to not care by basically telling them to die out. Nor telling to ride a bike/get rid of cars either. This is not trying to side them despite sounding like I am, obviously the complainer statement saying "no one rides" is false and reveal not quite in a reasonable frame of thought either.

I mean, I like to like as this as kinda a balance thing: it seems the factors are convenience to driver, convenience to cyclist, and convenience to pedestrians. The current location provides convenience to cyclist with the loss of one parking spot. Despite the above summary, it see to fit to the anon's comment above that the issue is the utilization of the spot - most efficient and fair use in the area.

In my thinking, it does seem possible to offer the same level of convenience to the cyclist without any cost to the driver. Though this depends on the exact location. The sidewalk does get wider just a few feet away, this could argue the Hubway station can be over there without cost to the cyclist (I can see an argument that a cyclist have to walk farther to reach the station now, but that can be balanced that some now have a shorter walk - that depends on where the the users are coming from). There is also a cost to the pedestrian, now having a narrower sidewalk, but my view is the pedestrian would not much inconvenienced. The complainer, while not suggesting in really good faith, may have a point off putting the station in the parking lot too. The inconvenience of walking further may be canceled by others having a shorter walk. Meanwhile the spot allows the driver to park there - though only serving a person at a time - but could be a better deal as everyone gets the same deal as before except drivers get to keep the one spot.

This is just a back-of-the-napkin look. I could be very wrong that by moving the station that dozens of hubways users now get really inconvenienced for the pleasure of 3 drivers looking for coffee. Or the sidewalk compromise really make pedestrian space that much worse. But I like to aim for a way that everyone can win. But maybe this is a zero sum situation where we either we serve one group or the other. Correct me if this is so. At this moment, from what I can remember of the area and from looking at Google maps, its seems possible that this approach does not have to be taken (like the Back Bay story where the commentator Neuroboy explained their plan to balance out all sides with no cost to each other). We can approach as an engineering problem rather than calling on side a bunch of car-hating liberals and the other a bunch of old dying townie conservatives.

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AMEN!

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If you look at the Hubway station that is on W. Broadway on the street, you can plainly see that there is enough room to put the station on the sidewalk. None of these should be on the street when they can go on the sidewalk like I have seen them put before. If they find that there is not enough room in that particular area to put the station on the sidewalk than they should find another site to put it where there is room. No bike rental stand should be taking up parking spots or be located in the streets of a busy city.

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Anyone catch the irony of bicyclists complaining of people (in this case double parkers) not obeying the traffic laws.

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Read the original complaint. It NEVER mentions double parking. Universal Hub made that part up to stir the pot'.

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should have been placed in front of the Beer Garden and the Playwright so the Yuppies can hop on a bike instead of driving their vehicles while inebriated.

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....less likely to kill an innocent bystander or its driver, but still a vehicle and still illegal to drive while intoxicated.

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I noticed that the stations are only going to be put in around West Broadway & on East Broadway in front of the public library. Do they have plans to install them around the public beaches in South Boston? Who do you contact to find out Hubways future plans? Does any one know? Please post.

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Where does this person say anything about double-parking? Refers to PARKING SPACES. Obviously, you have no clue what section of Broadway this is. It's WEST Broadway, not EAST Broadway.

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There is more double parking on E Broadway because there is more residential density there. But every time I drove down W Broadway, especially where this person is complaining about Hubway, there is ALWAYS a double parked car. Or five.

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Other than "Square Head" has anyone ever seen cars double-parked on that side of West Broadway outside Dunkin Donuts? It's nearly impossible to even do so.

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If it's where I'm thinking, there's less opportunity to double park because of the intersection (still doesn't stop some folks though). Here it's more a case of people parking at the bust stop, at the cab stand, or in front of the fire hydrant because they can't be bothered to park in the lot in back.

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To be honest, I could care less about the foolish bikes. But here is something I'm wondering about. Does anyone really think there will be any serious enforcement of traffic laws involving bike riders who don't obey the traffic laws? Of course there won't. On a rare occasion we'll hear about someone who gets written up. In the mean time cars will continue to be tagged and at times towed. One more question. The streets these lanes and bike racks are on are paid for through the gas tax, not to mention excise taxes and all the other fees that go along with car ownership. How much revenue comes from owning a bike? SOBO!

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The streets are paid for mostly by property taxes.

Gas tax is a decreasing percentage of the true cost of the roads.

Property taxes also pay for street cleaning and for plowing,etc.

If you look at damage to roads caused by vehicles, cyclists pay in a lot more to the road systems than we take out.

Sorry, but your myths have been busted here before. Time to look at the real math: property taxes paid in by people regardless of car use pay the lions share of the cost of city streets. Period. Drivers are subsidized by non-drivers.

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You are right.... roads are paid for with both property taxes and gas taxes; so someone owning a car pays for the roads via two taxes whereas someone who doesn't own a car only pays for the roads via only one tax. But because the roads are needed for more than just personal driving this may not be as inequitable as it appears.
Plus most damage to the roads is caused by heavy trucks not cars or light trucks.... for instance, the condition of the roadbed on the left most travel lane on highways is much better than the condition of the other lanes because truck traffic is restricted from using the left lane.

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Doesn't change the truth: motorists are subsidized by non motorists.

Oh, and look: I paid my taxes quarterly so I was taxed FOUR TIMES.

See how dumb that looks.

Oh, and I pay quite a hefty amount of income taxes to the General Fund, where road building/maintenance comes from. And, even though I own a car, I'd love it if road support taxes were based on how many miles each year I drive. Insurance, too. That would be totally fair, right?

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Oh, no. Not the tired old "why isn't there more enforcement on cyclists breaking the laws" and gas tax/excise tax arguments again.

Cyclists are, in general, not a significan danger to other road users. Yes, if you look hard you can find one or two freak accidents in which a cyclist killed a pedestrian. There was big news about one in San Francisco some time in the past year or two; but it was big news precisely because it's so uncommon. It costs money, time, and effort to enforce traffic laws. Where do you think that money, time, and effort is better spent, ticketing cyclists who happened to run through a red light when there was no traffic around, or pulling over people speeding down the Arborway at 80 miles an hour and risking flipping over the median and nearly killing someone? Sure, if there happens to be a cop there and he catches a cyclist flagrantly blowing through a red light with traffic around, he should probably pull him over, but it's not something that we should be devoting serious resources to.

The streets these lanes and bike racks are on are paid for through the gas tax, not to mention excise taxes and all the other fees that go along with car ownership.

God, when will this tired old trope die. The roads are not paid for by the gas tax; the gas tax pays a small portion. Likewise with the excise tax. Gas taxes produce about $25B in federal revenue, and federal highway spending is around $40B (both numbers as of a few years ago). A portion of gas tax is earmarked for other usages, so even less of the actual highway spending comes from it. The rest is paid from the general fund, which is funded by taxes that everyone pays like income taxes.

Boston's motor vehicle excise tax likewise doesn't pay for all of its road spending. Public work and transportation departments in Boston spent around $160M in 2009; the excise tax raised about $40M in the same year. Where does the rest of that money come from? That's right, other taxes that everyone pays, like property taxes.

I'm not feeling like continuing to chase down the numbers for state level gas taxes and spending, but it will be similar. A portion of highway spending will be paid for by gas taxes, but the rest by sales and income taxes.

And then you have to consider how much less a cyclist uses than a driver. A bicycle takes up far less space on the road than a car; within the same amount of space that one car fills while in motion, you could probably fit 10 bikes. A bicycle takes up no on-street parking (except, perhaps, for the on-street Hubway stations, which take up maybe 1/4 of a space per bike, and are shared between many passengers). A bicycle does far less damage to the road than a car or truck; the general rule of thumb is that road damage is proportional to the fourth power of axle weight, so the factor of 10 weight difference between a bike plus rider and a car gives you a difference of 10,000 in amount of road damage. A bicycle poses far less danger to other people, and requires less cost for enforcement. Add all of these up, and the costs of the roads to support cyclists is so much lower than it is for cars; if you think responsibility for paying for the roads should be based on usage, then car drivers had better start paying a lot more to make up the relative difference in how much of the road they use.

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Unfortunately, however, there is a problem of some cyclists also violating road rules, such as running red lights, going the wrong way down one-way streets, weaving in and out of traffic, riding on the wrong side of the road, and riding too far into the middle of the road, none of which are safe practices. While these problem cyclists aren't the majority, they do make it way more difficult for the others by giving bicyclists in general a bad name, and putting themselves, as well as other people (i. e. pedestrians, etc.) in danger.

I also might add that plenty of cyclists have been permanently injured or killed engaging in such unsafe practices as the ones mentioned above, and they've caused automobile accidents, to boot. Moreover, studies have revealed that, in the event of fatalities that result from car-cyclist collisions, the cyclist has almost always been at fault.

I also might add that, since a bicycle is also a vehicle, bicyclists are also subject to the rules of the road, as well.

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Yes, bicyclists are subject to the rules of the road, though the rules are somewhat different between cyclists and cars. For instance, cyclists are not allowed to ride on limited access highways, but they are allowed to ride on sidewalks as long as they are outside of business districts if the road is unsafe. The rules don't need to be exactly the same, but the basics of riding the right direction, signaling before merging or turning, yielding right of way, and so on are the best way to keep traffic safe and orderly.

Personally, I think that Massachusetts should pass the same law as Idaho on cyclist stops (essentially, cyclists may treat stop signs as if they were yield signs and red lights as if they were stop signs), since it's perfectly safe and in line with what most people do anyhow.

I'm a bit dubious about your claim that "the cyclist has almost always been at fault" in fatal bicycle-car collisions. Based on anecdotal evidence I've seen, if anything, the majority of the time no fault is assigned. I would be very surprised if cyclists were found at fault in more collisions than motorists, but I'd be interested to see the study that you refer to to judge for myself. One source that I've found appears to contradict your claim; it says that 68 percent of collisions in Central London were the driver's fault, 20 percent the cyclist's fault, and 12 percent there was either no fault or both parties were at fault. Now, this is in London and appears to include all collisions, not just fatal ones. But I'd be very surprised if the data for fatal collisions were entirely inverted from this data.

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You'll never get me to ride a bike. I like to stay dry and drive my car in comfort. Bikes are for people who like to feel superior to everyone else.

I'm also nice and safe in my car.

I'm going to push government for expensive registration fees and licenses to ride bikes. Right now these freeloaders go through red lights and use roads meant for cars.

I'm praying for a cold snowy weather so there's no room for the pesty bikes.

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No one is trying to get you to ride a bike if you don't want to. They're just trying to make it easier for those who do want to ride a bike. It's OK for people to have different needs and desires, and for the government to cater to all of them.

Bikes are for a lot or purposes. They're for people who can't afford a car. People without a license. People who want to get to work more quickly in a congested area. People who want to get some exercise on their commute. People who don't have a parking space. People who want to have a little more fun on their commute. People who want to see the scenery and feel the breeze on their face. People who care about their impact on the environment around them. People who are nervous about being responsible for navigating a couple tons of steel at high speed around other people.

There are lots of reasons that people ride bikes. You might categorize some of those as "people who like to feel superior", but there are a lot of those that I don't think would ever fall in that category. And may I point out the irony of your rhetorical technique of denigrating a certain class of people as "people who like to feel superior", implying that they are inferior to someone like you who doesn't think that way?

Let me give you a little bit of a history lesson on roads. Roads have existed for thousands of years; there have been roads for longer than there has been written history. They were originally meant for pedestrians; then later, for carts and horses. Paved roads with curbs and sidewalks have existed since at least the Roman empire.

In the 19th century, a new type of vehicle known as a velociped was developed. This eventually developed into the ordinary (also known as the penny farthing), and from there to the modern safety bicycle. These vehicles benefitted greatly from good roads; they were more comfortable, and you wouldn't sink in an get stuck in the mud. So the League of American Wheelmen started the Good Roads Movement to lobby for improved roads in rural areas. For one account, see this description of California's Great Cycle Way: "At present, the cycle-way is wide enough to allow four cyclists to ride abreast, but its width may be doubled presently. As it is, cycles and motor-cycles alone are allowed on the road, but when the track is widened, motor cars may be permitted the privilege of running over its beautiful surface."

So, roads were originally for pedestrians, then carts, then bicycles, and only later for cars. Saying that the roads are "meant for cars" is, well, lacking in perspective. The roads are meant for public use. Some members of the public, like you, prefer to drive cars. Some prefer to ride bicycles. Some prefer motorcycles. And of course, there are many who use trucks to transport goods. And some people still prefer horse drawn carts. It's possible to share the road between multiple users using different modes of transit.

I'm going to push government for expensive registration fees and licenses to ride bikes.

And what, pray tell, would this achieve? Registration, fees, and licenses are applied to cars because they are big and dangerous, and have a high impact on the roads and environment. None of this applies to bicycles. You seem to want to apply them simply out of spite. Remember, taxes, regulation, and the like are not good for their own sake; they are applied because they are necessary to further some purpose. What purpose would be furthered by applying them to cyclists, beside just getting fewer people to bicycle? Do you really want those people in cars, adding to the congestion, posing more danger to you and everyone else around?

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cool satirical troll comment, bro.

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Perhaps you should pay additional health care costs to reflect your lifestyle, though.

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If it's snowy, I'll just take the whole lane for my little bike with its studded snow tires. Safety first.

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this comment thread is the most amazing confluence of terrible UHub binary arguments.

cyclists/cars
townies/yuppie gentrifiers
double parking "traditionalists"/everyone else

the only thing missing is parking spot savers and pit bulls.

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Another thing, stay over there in SOBO! Gosh, move over here to Dorchester and you all are Invading Savin Hill. Don't you all know this is a high crime area?!

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This thread is getting uglier by the hour. I used to bike quite a bit back in the 90's. I rode the Boston midnight architectural ride... there were about 60 of us back then. We just rode bikes and didn't make a big deal about it nor did we think we were God's gift to the universe. Didn't hate pedestrians, didn't hate motorists, didn't hate runners, didn't hate Southie. Something has changed and not for the better. So many cyclists who comment on this site come off as arrogant, bigoted and disrespectful. It's disappointing. You even bicker amongst yourselves with this inane one-upmanship about helmets, fixies and stopping at stop signs!
The people I know who are true avid cyclists -- as in bike thousands of miles every year, do cross-country trips, etc. would not want to be associated with this rude bunch.

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Today, September 26, 2013, Boston Police, in collaboration with Brookline, State, Transit, and Harvard Police officers conducted a joint enforcement action along the Longwood Ave. Corridor from Kent St. in Brookline to Huntington Ave. in Boston. Officers issued 35 citations for red light violations and failure to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks.

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When I went and looked today, I noticed that the Hubway station is in a cab stand. 0 parking spaces were eliminated for this "monstrosity" that will provide literally hundreds of bike rides per week.

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No, The stand is BEFORE the cab stand. Take another look.

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Clearly you need glasses. This is in the street leading up to the cab stand. At least 3 spots are being taken.

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I came here to provide a link to a study that indicates that bike lanes actually benefit local business, even if it is Dunkin Donuts.

http://www.americabikes.org/nyc_study_finds_protec...

What I found was really ugly flame war, sadly.

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UHub comments about Southie are the online equivalents of punching pillows and screaming underwater.

1.) On-street Hubway racks have always been met with criticism by residents and business owners who perceive them as just a waste of valuable parking space(s). Anyone who suggests that this suddenly became an issue because of opposition by doped-up flag-stabbing stubborn mongrols who grew up in Southie can kick rocks.

2.) Not all motorists grew up in Southie and not all cyclists just moved here... so why has this topic become a constant pissing match between two indistinct sides?

3.) Cars and bikes are BOTH used as necessary AND leisurely means of transportation. How many cyclists have ever had food conveniently delivered right to their front door? Would you prefer the driver circling the block 7 times looking for a legal spot while your dinner gets cold? What about motorists who are having car troubles or have ever had their license revoked? How clutch was that two-wheeled beauty in your time of need?

4.) Double-parking in Boston is about as common as speeding on a highway. No matter the driver: young, old, black, white, rich, poor... it happens. Whether you used to see Whitey at Sully's or you picture Jack Nicholson in 'The Departed' whenever someone mentions his name; your actions are equally as guilty as they are accepted.

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This is not an emergency. Please disperse.

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