EMC had some of the worst dude-bro sales folks I've ever encountered in my life until they cleaned house a few years ago + they still have a ton of execs and pre-sales types who are typically be the first to slander the competition rather than talk up their own merits (generally because they are coasting on old product in many segments and not doing much innovation...)
Best things about this is I can now say "Dude you work for Dell!" and I *know* they are feeling shame.
I see have that novelty license plate made by DEC 20+ years ago. Classic case of better marketing company buying better technology company and then both going down in flames.
But whatever. I now have Unix AND working sound drivers. My DEC Alpha is holding up a lamp. I sold my soul to Apple but music plays and emacs runs so what do I care.
Probably the 70,000 employees who works for EMC with 9,700 employees in MA.
Companies are not our friends, but somewhere in those number might be a person who one of us here might care about. And buyouts have a history of being a bad hand for such people.
Not to mention that when a company does act beneficial, many times it is localize to where its headquarters is at. The less companies - especially ones of EMC size - is based here, the less likely Boston get to benefits from those moments.
I know several people who have worked for them. The gist of what I have heard from them is that they hold regular reorganizations where they arbitrarily pink slip a large number of people, and then discover that they needed them after all and hire a bunch more people, then two years later repeat that cycle.
Not exactly a recipe for long-term tenure of employees or employee loyalty.
The one guy I know at EMC has been there for about 20 years and is the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. I hope he survives this buyout or has lots of shares and can sell and retire.
I never said I didn't care about the employees.. just the companies. I just said companies split and merge all the time. Far too often to keep track of or really care about.
And yes I know, I watched lots of friends of mine lose jobs at DEC/Vanstar when Compaq bought them. And the ones that were left, I watched them lose their jobs when HP bought Compaq a couple of years later.
These huge company smash into one another all the time. It's never good for the customers or employees but somehow the upper level people keep making tons of money.
I was at a little company that got acquired by a larger public company. A week before the buyout, our little company granted stock options to several executives of the big company. That was all part of the agreement. So corrupt.
Wouldn't that be basically insider trading? It's one thing that they make money on their own shares by buying a company, but no way should they be granted ownership in the company that their actions are making more valuable.
This is a comment made to me one time by a boss regarding an upper management dispute between two organizations over a technical issue I uncovered. He is Indian and it sounds much better when said with an Indian accent.
So, I picture the same collateral risks when large corporate entities are at play.
I've worked with their gear for 20-plus years. Projects I was on they tended to hire kids, and limit them to a very narrow discipline/focus, so they didn't have options or mobility. Then they would grind them to a pulp with ridiculous demands for heroic hours.
Also heard about the guy who used his EMC account to email his resume to NetApp, presumably to boost his storage cred. He was walked out that afternoon, since they were filtering.
Combine that kind of culture what is coming from Round Rock and the prospects don't look good.
If they were indeed one of the best places to work, surely they'd be OK with the ban on Non-compete agreements. I mean why use non-competes as leverage against employees who want to work for a better organization?
But, are you going to say they're not a great company to work for simply because they have a non-compete? Really, one bad thing and you write them off? Nobody would pass that test.
You bet any kind of decent corporate security would have filters to look for illegal transfer of intellectual property to competitors and also caught stupid use of email. Never mix work and personal email. Been a good rule for about the last 20 or so years when free email accounts became available. Too bad Hillary wasn't clued in.
I've been at EMC since they bought Data General in 1999. It's a big corp; they care about profits; they also care about their employees about as much as other enormous corps. Being a few year shy of Medicare, I hope this merger and re-org takes a few years.
As an IT person, I 100% agree. I've never understood why people use their work email as personal email (i.e. Shopping logins, mailing lists that aren't work related, kids stuff).
Not when there's so many free email options out there these days.
My fav are the folks who use LinkedIn and use their work email as the login. Sure many people have business to do on LinkedIn (i.e. HR), but most don't.
Pro Tip: IT has access to your full mailbox. Nothing is private at all. In short, never use your company email for something you wouldn't want someone else to see.
I say this while attending a LinkedIn conference (I'm a customer), but lots of sales people use LinkedIn to do their research and make contacts and others use it to find people who can help them get answers to problems they are having.
It's not only about job hunting. I give my candidates a link to the manager's LinkedIn page so they can get a background on who they are talking to (and see if they have shared connections). We pretty much encourage most employees to have a page to help with networking.
It's not the same as using your company email for your Monster.com account.
can adversely affect Boston's GMP (Gross Metropolitan Product, analogous to a national GDP); so yes, it does matter when a large, local company is brought out by a non-locally based company.
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EMC had some of the worst dude-bro sales folks I've ever encountered in my life until they cleaned house a few years ago + they still have a ton of execs and pre-sales types who are typically be the first to slander the competition rather than talk up their own merits (generally because they are coasting on old product in many segments and not doing much innovation...)
Best things about this is I can now say "Dude you work for Dell!" and I *know* they are feeling shame.
Wait!
Dudebros in a sales department?
Surely you jest!
Definitely some of the most
Definitely some of the most aggressive sales folks I've run across in the last 15 years of hiring tech sales people. They have a rep, that's for sure.
Wonder if next headline,
Wonder if next headline, after the acquisition goes through, will be, "Dell lays off former EMC personnel"
I remember a Texas company buying a Mass one
Compaq computer bought Digital Equipment Corp. years ago, and yes, there were layoffs. Compaq was bought by HP. Hope this one goes better.
YW84HP?
I see have that novelty license plate made by DEC 20+ years ago. Classic case of better marketing company buying better technology company and then both going down in flames.
But whatever. I now have Unix AND working sound drivers. My DEC Alpha is holding up a lamp. I sold my soul to Apple but music plays and emacs runs so what do I care.
Life is too short to care about these companies.
LOL
LOL And I thought I was bad. My Mac Plus now is nothing more than a electronic fish take in my office (running After Dark)
But I agree, companies merge and split so often now. Who really cares anymore?
Probably the 70,000 employees
Probably the 70,000 employees who works for EMC with 9,700 employees in MA.
Companies are not our friends, but somewhere in those number might be a person who one of us here might care about. And buyouts have a history of being a bad hand for such people.
Not to mention that when a company does act beneficial, many times it is localize to where its headquarters is at. The less companies - especially ones of EMC size - is based here, the less likely Boston get to benefits from those moments.
EMC has a bad rep
I know several people who have worked for them. The gist of what I have heard from them is that they hold regular reorganizations where they arbitrarily pink slip a large number of people, and then discover that they needed them after all and hire a bunch more people, then two years later repeat that cycle.
Not exactly a recipe for long-term tenure of employees or employee loyalty.
Maybe or maybe not
The one guy I know at EMC has been there for about 20 years and is the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. I hope he survives this buyout or has lots of shares and can sell and retire.
I agree as I also know people
I agree as I also know people who have been with EMC for years and assumed they were safe from these type of shake ups.
I still can't see it; Dell buying EMC..I'm not too confident about this and I have plenty of company.
Your gist is wrong
Arbitrarily? Did you use that word on purpose? If so, you are way off base.
I never
I never said I didn't care about the employees.. just the companies. I just said companies split and merge all the time. Far too often to keep track of or really care about.
And yes I know, I watched lots of friends of mine lose jobs at DEC/Vanstar when Compaq bought them. And the ones that were left, I watched them lose their jobs when HP bought Compaq a couple of years later.
Yup
These huge company smash into one another all the time. It's never good for the customers or employees but somehow the upper level people keep making tons of money.
I was at a little company
I was at a little company that got acquired by a larger public company. A week before the buyout, our little company granted stock options to several executives of the big company. That was all part of the agreement. So corrupt.
Wouldn't that be basically
Wouldn't that be basically insider trading? It's one thing that they make money on their own shares by buying a company, but no way should they be granted ownership in the company that their actions are making more valuable.
"When elephants are dancing, it is best to stand away"
This is a comment made to me one time by a boss regarding an upper management dispute between two organizations over a technical issue I uncovered. He is Indian and it sounds much better when said with an Indian accent.
So, I picture the same collateral risks when large corporate entities are at play.
EMC not exactly a worker's paradise
Two stories, one eyewitness one apocryphal...
I've worked with their gear for 20-plus years. Projects I was on they tended to hire kids, and limit them to a very narrow discipline/focus, so they didn't have options or mobility. Then they would grind them to a pulp with ridiculous demands for heroic hours.
Also heard about the guy who used his EMC account to email his resume to NetApp, presumably to boost his storage cred. He was walked out that afternoon, since they were filtering.
Combine that kind of culture what is coming from Round Rock and the prospects don't look good.
One of the best places to work
If it's not a worker's paradise, why has it been voted one of the best places to work?
http://fortune.com/2014/10/23/global-best-companies/
Oh?
Yes, these "Best Places to Work" surveys simply must be true and aren't meaningless HR marketing tools, right?
If they were indeed one of
If they were indeed one of the best places to work, surely they'd be OK with the ban on Non-compete agreements. I mean why use non-competes as leverage against employees who want to work for a better organization?
One bad thing
I agree, the non-compete is a bad thing.
But, are you going to say they're not a great company to work for simply because they have a non-compete? Really, one bad thing and you write them off? Nobody would pass that test.
email to a competitor?
You bet any kind of decent corporate security would have filters to look for illegal transfer of intellectual property to competitors and also caught stupid use of email. Never mix work and personal email. Been a good rule for about the last 20 or so years when free email accounts became available. Too bad Hillary wasn't clued in.
It's a corporation
I've been at EMC since they bought Data General in 1999. It's a big corp; they care about profits; they also care about their employees about as much as other enormous corps. Being a few year shy of Medicare, I hope this merger and re-org takes a few years.
Sorry, no sympathy for the
Sorry, no sympathy for the guy who uses his work email address to send out his resume.
Your work email address is company property. It's amazing that people actually think they "own' it.
yup
As an IT person, I 100% agree. I've never understood why people use their work email as personal email (i.e. Shopping logins, mailing lists that aren't work related, kids stuff).
Not when there's so many free email options out there these days.
My fav are the folks who use LinkedIn and use their work email as the login. Sure many people have business to do on LinkedIn (i.e. HR), but most don't.
Pro Tip: IT has access to your full mailbox. Nothing is private at all. In short, never use your company email for something you wouldn't want someone else to see.
I say this while attending a
I say this while attending a LinkedIn conference (I'm a customer), but lots of sales people use LinkedIn to do their research and make contacts and others use it to find people who can help them get answers to problems they are having.
It's not only about job hunting. I give my candidates a link to the manager's LinkedIn page so they can get a background on who they are talking to (and see if they have shared connections). We pretty much encourage most employees to have a page to help with networking.
It's not the same as using your company email for your Monster.com account.
Mergers like this
can adversely affect Boston's GMP (Gross Metropolitan Product, analogous to a national GDP); so yes, it does matter when a large, local company is brought out by a non-locally based company.
Gonna be some houses for sale
Gonna be some houses for sale in Westborough/ Holliston/ Hopkinton.
In a big way
Yup, going to be some moves going on in about a year or so