Boston's only Confederate monument to be ripped up, put in storage somewhere

The town of Thomaston, Maine had a state prison built in 1820. When it was torn down, a small section of the outer wall, at a corner, was left as a memorial to the prisoners, with a plaque denoting that.

Murderers, rapists, robbers, men doing hard time. Most buried in a poorly marked graveyard.

Maybe it's the fact that some people have seen a lot of heartache and have compassion for their fellow man, or as in a quote I've seen, 'these poor wretched creatures.'

I don't really care about the politics of it, but a memorial to the dead, whomever they are, deserves some contemplation before its destruction.

You don't think they were suffering by being so cruelly separated from the humans they owned back home? I mean, they had to actually pay chefs instead of just beating slaves if the dinner wasn't good enough.

How about a foot path to the area where the Native American concentration camp was on Deer Island during King Phillip's War in the 1670's? That was straight out genocide.

How about crush it for the path heading up to where religious zealots killed off "witches" up in Salem? People killed just for straying from the orthodoxy. (PS - Can we get the Bewtiched statue removed?)

How about one down by Union Park Street and Washington Street in the South End where Quakers were murdered by the ancestors of a lot of people in this area for just being different. Actually the Quakers may have been hung on the Common, nevertheless, people were killed for their beliefs in this city for years.

You don't need to look across the sea for evil done by people. It is all around you.

"There weren't really any cells since it was never designed to hold prisoners on a large scale."

Absolutely not true. in "the Islands of Boston Harbor', Edward Rowe Snow uses a quote from a contemporary description of the fort (by James Lloyd Homer) that describes, in 1845, the stairs to the 'prisonhouse' that could hold over a thousand men.

"Since it was an island, the men had nowhere to go.
All they had to do was take an oath promising not to escape."

Again, simply not true.
"Many attempts at escape were made there, none of which, as far as is known, were completely successful." --Snow.

"After that, they could have money & items sent from home.
With that cash they would hire private chefs from Boston to prepare meals, they had gambling rings, there was even a baseball diamond in the middle of the grounds."

Sounds great. Book my flight. Considering how wrong you have been so far, I'd need a little in the way of citation. Without citations, much of what you say is, well, interesting but very speculative. Not many, this is Uhub after all, but something.
Baseball I can see, it helps to pass the time and was a new game in the US at that time. Gambling rings exist everywhere. Private chefs? Hmmmnnn...

"But some accounts it was the nicest prison in history."

Look up 'Swedish prisons' someday.

"Those men didn't suffer.
There were no horrors of war there."

Oh, look up the fireman (coaler on a ship) named Cracker. Not an officer, no rank, just a guy working on a ship that was commandeered by the Confederacy to be a blockade runner.
They got caught by the US Navy and he wound up in Warren. Just an ordinary man swept up in the bigger events of history.

"Take the stupid thing down and crush it into a foot path for the holocaust memorial."

Excellent idea...???

Well, I'm outta here, got to go get a sticker on my car. I'm told the system is working flawlessly today.

There's not much info but from what I did find, she was a Cambridge resident and the VP of the group was someone named Mrs EE Synge of Brookline, MA.

It appears her full name was Mary Caithers Chesley and her father was from GA and she was a DAR (of course). There's a few people with v. similar names but I think this one was born in 1871 putting her over 90 when this all went down. Imagine getting to be 90 years old and so consumed with fear / hatred that you spend your time ensuring there's a memorial to traitors in a Union state. Bizarre.

No one is buried there. All the remains have long ago been sent back to the families.

A monument to superior living conditions, healthy rations, and quality medical care. Humans died at a much higher rate in the surrounding city than they did on George's Island.

Good living conditions, the fact that most were officers who had been in good health since childhood, and collaboration by high ranking confederate medical officers with Union physicians led to exceptional levels of sanitary practice and medical care for all who were stationed or held there meant that the mortality rate was exceptionally low for the time. Union officers stationed there even brought their families to live with them on the island.

Were you in the Intelligence Department during your career being the law? Perhaps not. Apparently you don't get down to the near south of our state.

Plimoth Plantation has a fairly sized chunk of its sized dedicated to the stories of the Native Americans who lived there when the Pilgrims showed up. They tell the story of the settlers and the people that were there and they don't whitewash it (Pun intended). The Native American players are mostly from around Quebec City.

By the way Plimoth Plantation is a private organization on private land. This marker on George's Island is on public property. See the difference?

You were a public servant, right? You know the difference between "public" and "private", right?

All they did was take up arms against the army of the United States, it's not like they did something bad like kneel silently during the National Anthem

That's why the Secretary is having the DCR take it down.

This is what's left of the real GOP still stands for - the traditional values represented by Lincoln and Eisenhower.

The Democrats [of 1860] were the party of slavery.

Yup. And the Republicans of 1860 were the progressive, liberal party of Abraham Lincoln.

And this has what-all to do with the parties operating today under the names 'Democratic' and 'Republican' party?

In related historical news, England is a hateful colonialist monarchy, Germany is run by Nazis, and Russia is our ally.

What does the Department of Education say about this removal of history?

Lemme guess, if this were 1948 and we were all in Germany, you'd be the one arguing against chiseling the swastikas off of government buildings.

We know you aren't a "civil war buff". You prefer to be called a "war of northern aggression buff".

Again, move to a red state. You can hang out with your fellow republicans like Dylan Roof. He loves confederate crap almost as much as he loves killing black people.

Fish: Are you being sarcastic in your second paragraph? If not it's a disrespectful way to refer to the deaths of the men who died. If you are serious then let me suggest that you take a class in time travel. You would learn it does not exist. No one in the 19th century knew anything about the politics of 2017.

Mentioning the term identify politics provides a good teaching moment.

Identity politics is a term developed by what I call rightist anarchists; the folks who want to gut democracy. The gutting of democracy is another discussion (although I suggest Democracy in Chains for background). These are the folks that cry judicial activism when judges rule in ways they don't like and call decisions the like just rulings.

Identity politics goes back at least to the early 20th century when Republicans could not dirty their hands by commingling with the great unwashed masses arriving on the shores of the US. That is one of the reasons that Democrats wound up being the party of European ethnics groups during the period. Democratic clubs and the party saw immigrants as a way to grow their party.

Yet that is not the first instance of identity politics. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was not just high rhetoric; it was an attempt to weaken the Confederacy by a political proclamation aimed at people of a very specific identity. By the way, President Lincoln, besides using identity politics was, as I'm sure you'll agree, a Republican. In other words a Republican practicing identity politics. We should also not forget that the British used the promise of freedom from slavery to weaken the American position and strengthen their own in the Revolutionary War.

So-called identity politics is as old as the nation.

The statement that Democrats were the party of slavery does suggest either your education concerning politics and culture of the 19th century is terribly deficient or you practice the best form of making false statements. Use a kernel of truth to tell a big fat lie. So what if 19th century Democrats supported slavery? That has nothing to do with today. If you want to focus on where political parties have their sights try to be a little more current. Such as Republicans electing a man who uses phrase such as, "“If you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina and you look at the tremendous hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that died . . . 16 people [in Puerto Rico] versus in the thousands [in Louisiana], you can be very proud of all your people, all our people..." I read that phrase and felt embarrassed that the person, for better or worse (much worse) speaks as a 6th grader. For Pete's sake can't the man at least hire a speech writer?

Apparently, anytime anything is not all about straight white men, it's identity politics.

A landfill. That is where garbage belongs.

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071902/met_9955329.html

"Because of post closings, Johnston's remains were moved from Fort Warren to Deer Island, then to Governor's Island, both in Boston Harbor, and then in 1939 to Fort Devens in Ayer, Mass., a town northwest of Boston."

There are some indications that he was the 'last Confederate prisoner of war buried in New England'

So, monument either belongs at Ft. Warren as a part of its history or moved to the south to go in a Confederate cemetery there.

A monument to the fallen ranks of the Turkey Liberation Front.

From the the year 2110? Because that memorial was put up in the 60s, so more like 50 years ago.

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, ...let us strive on to finish the work we are in, ...to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

John Wilkes Booth had more influence on this country than almost any other American.

Roman, you have a perspective that allows you to see the past as well as the present. But, there is so much hate here...

"A landfill. That is where
By Kinopio on Tue, 10/03/2017 - 11:25am

A landfill. That is where garbage belongs."

Pathetic, kip. You are a pathetic human being.

There's this other guy who posts here as "Roman" sometimes who says he immigrated here from Eastern Europe.

it's finally time to rename the town of Amherst. Seeing as Umass is the most important institution in that town, I propose we rename the town Umass or Norwottuck

A private institution can pretty much carve any names it wants into the walls of its war temples.