Raccoons in neighbor's house
We've noticed that there is a family of raccoons living in our next door neighbor's attic. They have been seen during daytime although most frequently are out at dusk and night.
There is a major language gap between us and our neighbors, and attempts to discuss it don't really register. Given the state of their house it's quite possible they don't have the means to fix the gaping hole in their eaves from which these raccoons emerge. They keep to themselves and we really only see them when they shovel snow late at night.
I don't typically involve myself in other people's business, but we have a dog and two kids who I honestly don't feel that safe about leaving outside at dusk.
Is this an animal control issue? Is it up to the home owner to remedy the situation? Someone who knows more about the city ordinances and departments who handle this stuff have an idea here?
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A picture speaks a thousand words
At least that's what I've heard. Maybe setup a camera like a GoPro and show it to them somehow?
Having racoons or possums
Having racoons or possums living inside your house poses a major threat, they can bite on electrical wires and cause a fire to the building.
Been there, done that, not a threat, city wont care
My 1st apt here, in brookline no less, we saw a raccoon on the upstairs balcony. Posters are right that they're all over the city, so we thought nothing of it. Later we heard a lot of weird noises, so our landlord finally had it checked out by animal control. They let us know there was a small colony of them in our attic, but it's not their purview to do anythign about. Landlord had to pay for them to be trapped and relased. You'll fall over when I tell you how many were up there (We only ever saw 1 with our eyes prior to the landlord investigating)...Well, there were TWENTY SEVEN. Never harmed us, our pets, or the property really. Glad they were relocated eventually, but you're not in immediate danger nor is it really your or the city's business to make your neighbor do anything.
At least with squirrels in the attic....
... the animal trappers are required to euthanize them (not allowed to release them). Maybe racdcoons are different.
Not a threat?
You may be able to say that, generally speaking, they are not a threat, but they definitely can be. Rabies and distemper, for example, are common in raccoons, and even though my dog has been vaccinated for both, I haven't, and there are dozens of other dangerous microorganisms raccoons carry, those two are just examples of ones that most don't survive. They are host to wood and deer ticks, that transmit a large variety of diseases between species of mammal. Also contact with their feces can give you a worm that, in humans, especially children, will blind and kill. My neighbor has a couple dozen very cute, but very aggressive raccoons living in the attic of their piece of spit house and they terrorize my pets, drag trash through my yard, (I got a lock strap for it, but they just chew through the lid then,) destroy gardens, vandalize buildings, and are ABSOLUTELY a threat, not only to the safety of my children and pets, but to my own peace of mind. And Animal Control won't do anything. I'm required by law to keep my grass no more than a certain number of inches, they should be required by law to get the funking raccoons that are now in their second season of reproduction away from me and mine. What exactly is the purpose of Animal Control if they won't control animals that clearly need to be controlled? Tracking down pet hoarders? Ticketing unlicensed dogs? Their salaries are not commensurate with the work they do, or lack thereof, in cities where animals are not at all controlled. But my point is, they are a threat, and minimizing the risk isn't helpful.
snow?
is this current events?
Google translator?
Boston_res is spot on. A picture if worth a thousand words. Speaking of words..
Have you tried Google translator? Write something something in english and let goggle translate it into their language. Maybe find a local community group of your neighbors' ethnic group and they might check the translation for you.
You can call animal control and ask if they can handle it. I suspect, they'd say no, that's it's up to the homeowner.
Inspectional services might follow-up if you give them a call. On a nearby street, one homeowner called them because she had rats nesting under the roots of a tree. She blamed other neighbors who have bird feeders. Inspectional services confirmed the rats' nests and told the neighbors with birdfeeders to sweep up, and keep sweeping up, the seeds from the ground under the feeders or they'd be ticketed. I don't know if the neighbor with the rats was ticket or if she had to get an exterminator to get rid of them.
So if you call them, inspectional services probably would check around to find out what's attracting the raccoons, besides checking on the house in questions.
Pls let us know the end of your story. We've got raccoons around here too.
Raccoons are already everywhere
If raccoons live in your neighbor's house, then they live everywhere else in your neighborhood already. There is no added danger for your family and dogs.
Raccoon Removal.
Here are some useful tips.
http://www.wildlife-removal.com/get-raccoons-out-attic.html
And a bonus sound segment. https://youtu.be/-cQAACCyHUc
I heard this in the woods in spring for years and always assumed it was a bird.
The raccoons shovel snow?
Sounds great! Why would you want them to leave?
In all seriousness, maybe someone more expert can chime in here but I really don't think that raccoons are any threat at all to your kids or pets. I suppose rabies is a remote concern but the risk is very low. These animals are everywhere in the city now but generally do their best to avoid humans (and dogs). I wouldn't think that you have anything to worry about--maybe you could leave a note for your neighbors but I don't think that raccoons even do the kind of house damage (chewing electrical wires) that squirrels can.
Grey Gardens -Roslindale Version
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rj...
Maybe they are feeding them like Edith Bouvier Beale of Grey Gardens fame. I think recording the neighbors house might be a little creepy depending on the angle and else is in view. Why not cut to the chase and call animal control or the city hall hotline.
If they have racoons in their attic...
It's hard to imagine your neighbors don't know about it because those varmints create a ruckus and do damage. I once had a family of four living under my deck and they tried getting in the house. Their paw prints and scratches were all over the door. Freaky! I drove them out with a hose and they reluctantly left, crossing a busy street to find new environs. I threw a bunch of ammonia soaked rags and moth balls under there to discourage them from returning but, once the odor had dissipated, they came back a week later. Drove them out again and put up some chicken wire to keep them out. Problem solved. I've also heard you can hire people to trap them and bring them somewhere more rural.
However, that doesn't solve your problem which is your neighbors not being willing or able to take care of their property. I watched squirrels go in and out of my elderly neighbor's attic for years. She was aware of it but just couldn't deal with it. Eventually she died and the house was knocked down.
As others have already mentioned, I would start by learning a few words in their language, ringing their door bell, using sign language or showing a photo or video, pointing out the spot of entry, etc. and see what happens.
After that, a call to ISD wouldn't hurt either. Good Luck!
You can have them trapped,
You can have them trapped, but removal is against the law.
Language Gap...
I'm sure that's an issue, but I'm also sure these people know exactly what's going on and they're using the language gap as a crutch.
yeah
those immigrants that can't speak english in america, they're so fortunate.
I know, I know...
I'm just a big old insensitive meanie.
Language gap and/or culture gap
I had a similar situation with my immigrant neighbors in Dorchester when I saw a rat in their yard. I told one of the younger occupants of the house who speaks some English. He thought it was funny and told me he had seen a rat in his yard too and described how long it was. I suggested that he should contact the city or an exterminator. He then said something to his mother in Vietnamese and she then proceeded to angrily yell at me in Vietnamese. The son continued to laugh. They just didn't care or didn't think the situation was important. As their neighbor, I thought it was extremely important.
The yard is overflowing with trash. Trash barrels are not covered. Food is left out overnight on the back porch. I finally called Inspectional Services. I don't know if they came or not, but the general cleanliness of the yard hasn't changed. I haven't seen any more rats but I suspect they're still there. If I see another one, I wont talk to my neighbors. I'll just call ISD again.
Driving down property values while berating you in Vietnamese!
Welcome to the new normal but remember, Trump is the divisive one.
Remember when ...
... those filthy Irish and dirty Italians were taking over the neighborhoods with their trash?
And OMG what a bunch of CRIMINALS they ALL were! (/snark)
Carry on. Oh, and how do we know that you are here legally? What about your immigrant ancestors? (kind of like the mysterious appearance in the US of Sheriff Arpaio's mother ... imagine that!)
Nice, huh?
But go ahead and complain about the fact that there are people come here from 3rd world countries and then have the nerve to laugh at the people who let them into the country to pursue a better life, and you're branded as a bigot. It's insane. But, I hope there's some resolution to your situation soon. No civilized human being, no matter what part of the globe they are from, deserves to abide that.
Which "filthy" immigrant group
... did you descend from? I'm sure they came here and got he same stereotyping at some point. They probably worked hard and took a while to learn English and were at the mercy of slumlords when it came to such things, unlike THESE people who work ten jobs, take a while to learn English and are at the mercy of slumlords. They are filthy and lazy!
Hey, nice job...
...proving my point. As soon as I dared say something that's didn't jive with your word view, you implied that I was a bigot. Typical...
Do us all a favor: quote the exact sentence where I called imigrants "filthy" and "lazy". Go ahead, we'll wait. Oh, yeah...that's right. I never said that. But you'll continue to argue since you're too wrapped up in your own ego.
Vietnamese paid dearly to be here.
We bombed their homeland and hosed it down with agent orange. They are still finding cluster bomb mines.
The national legend heroines are the Trung Sisters, two women who led a rebellion against a Chinese invasion that was repelled for three years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C6%B0ng_Sisters
Things are recovering and reconciliation is pretty far along. Their party general secretary visited Obama recently.
Each new arriving group has its story and lore and learning about them is one of the greatest gifts a pluralistic and multicultural society has to offer.
Dai Thinh is even working on a pretty good version of Voodoo Child.
https://youtu.be/8iBR811OQXg
It's a lot more fun than disgruntled old white guy harrumphs.
rats are different
The norway rat is an invasive species that came here from European ships. The population can get out of control very quickly and the city of Boston actually has a guy in charge or rats. My observation is that renters have the biggest problems(not non-english speakers). Fixing the problem requires more than picking up. You need an exterminator and proper trash barrels.
Racoons are native. They can definitely cause a lot of localized damage to any place they create a home, but they aren't very dangerous.
Raccoon doesn't translate well
These little bandits are fairly specific to North America and the words used for them vary incredibly by language. Recent immigrants may not even know a word for them in their own language, since the terms tend to be descriptive and sometimes local. For example, in Italian, raccoon back translates as "little cleaning bear".
Ok...?
So you're saying that since they might not know what a racoon is, then that means that they have no idea that there's a problem on the property with invasive pests?
Miss the point again?
The point is that it may be hard to explain, absent the raccoon wandering in front of you, exactly what the hell you are talking about or what needs to be done.
Ok...
And you, apparently an official member of the Politically Correct Police, are saying that we're not allowed to be annoyed about that, and if we are, then we're bigots. Got it. Just another day trying to talk sense to a elitist liberal...
Little cleaning bear??
I SO need one of those! Maybe two.
so true, +1
I am a foriegner where I live, and I find it useful so that I may secretly harbor families of rodents and other common urban pests. It sure is a fun hobby and I don't feel like explaining myself to my neighbors.
Relax...
You're not the only foreigner in the U.S., and it looks like you have a pretty solid grasp on the English language, so obviously I wasn't referring to you.
oh I'm chilled.
And I'm actually a Boston ex-pat living outside the United States, where English is not the native language. But when I was still in Boston, my job was working with immigrant communities. Your suggestion that they just absolutely luuurve living with raccoons in the house and are so sneaky and diabolical that they "hide" behind their language gap is ridiculous and nonsensical.
They're just like you and me and probably don't like it either. There could be any number of reasons they haven't been able to address it. But you went ahead and assumed some sort of weird malicious intent based only on the fact that they don't speak English too well. Cool.
My landlord said that a
My landlord said that a couple tenants ago raccoons got into the attic of the house we live in, and he was told he could trap them to get them out of the house, but had to release them on his property. (He may or may not have transported them to another property he owns further out into the boonies.) But they really can do a lot of damage structurally and to the wiring, to say nothing of what they might be bringing in, and what else might get in through a raccoon-sized hole. As long as they're not rabid, the threat to the family is probably low - they're unlikely to bite or anything, and seeing the raccoons in the daytime does not mean they're rabid, I learned recently - but I suppose the primary problem is that unless you button up the house after you've removed them, they'll get back in, and the longer it goes on the harder it is to clean up. All of which is your neighbor's problem, really, but it doesn't mean it won't drive you nuts in the meantime. But I do think trying to talk to the family - with language help - before calling animal control is the answer. If animal control can't help, maybe they'll have some suggestions.
Are they renting or do they own?
Yes, it is up to the home owner to remedy the situation.
If your neighbors are renting, they may not be interested in keeping up the property, and animal eradication is part of keeping up property. You can look up the owner of record in Boston assessing online. That will have the owner's address as well, so you can see if it's the same. If the owner is not the residents, send the owner of record a nice letter expressing your concern. If it is the resident, send them a letter and add a picture of a raccoon and a picture of their house with circles and arrows.
Here's another complication
My neighbor had a raccoon family behind the walls in a finished attic . The exterminator told them by law he couldn't remove them until the young ones were more grown up and ready to leave the nest (or whatever they call it). They had to wait a couple of months, finally got the raccoons removed, and sealed the holes in their eaves.
Raccoons, Skunks and Possums are everywhere
Maybe I'm wrong but I think that you have even more of them in Roslindale then we have in Dorchester since you're closer to the woods
I really can't think of any reason why you believe that your family is in danger. Has there been an uptick in raccoon attacks that I'm not aware of?
Calling city inspection services Might get rid of the racoons they can discuss this with them in their own language and provide information about what to do. however most people would find that invasive. If it is true that these people keep to themselves then I doubt they would welcome a call from The city
The hard truth is that you are already surrounded by critters. the best thing you can do is inspect your own property. There are a lot of things you can do to make it critter proof.
If it is true that you don't typically involve yourself in other peoples business then I suggest you continue to do so. None of the dangers you've outlined would be worth harming a relationship with your neighbor
As long as they stay in the attic
An upstairs neighbor didn't know they had one in the attic until it went exploring through the walls and fell through the ceiling. "What's that noise? Big rat??" Police came at 1am, took a couple hours to get the animal control officer. Pretty much destroyed their nice white living room furniture.
Call the Public Health Commission
Because of the potential for rabies.
In the suburbs, the board of health handles raccoon-in-the-neighbor's-attic situations. (Been there.) Don't know if it's the same in Boston, but Publuc Health is a good place to start.
Be prepared, though, for your neighbors to get cited, fined, and ordered to fix the hole.
Call ARL Boston
Animal Rescue League of Boston, Rescue hotline: 617-426-9170. They will know what to do; they will help you.
Thanks everyone!
I knew UHub would have a broad spectrum of responses to this quandary, and you didn't disappoint.
For the record, I'm going to hold off contacting anyone until I can try and talk to the neighbors about it. I really don't want to get them cited, because I certainly don't think they're leaving their house half open to the critters of Roslindale by choice.
I was sensitive to our visitors having had a nasty run in with a raccoon when I was a kid that nearly took out my dog (ala Where the Red Fern Grows).