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In what could be the last grant of its type for a long time, feds give Boston enough money to buy 125 electric school buses

Mayor Wu's office today announced a $35-million grant from the soon-to-be-decimated Environmental Protection Agency that will let BPS buy 125 30-sat battery-powered school buses.

The new buses will bring Boston closer to its goal of ferrying kids to and from school entirely in electric buses by 2030, and is part of an overall $735-milion EPA grant program aimed at replacing vehicles powered directly by fossil fuels.

Boston currently has 40 battery-powered buses, paid for in part through a separate $20-million grant and $6 million in funding from the state, the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center and Eversource.

In addition to reducing the amount of diesel particulates Bostonians have to breath in, the electric engines are more efficient than the diesel ones they replace.

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Electric buses are still not solving the problems for the lack of drivers and monitors. Electric buses are not solving the problems for the Zum app. Yes upgrade the buses put seat belts and cameras on all buses but use that money to retain drivers and monitors. You’re closing schools but upgrading to electric buses and teachers are protesting. Additional staff is needed for BPS the schools are lacking spread the money.

The grant was to buy the buses. You don't get to claim you are going to do one thing with grant money and then spend it completely differently once it is awarded.

And no matter what, BPS is going to be buying new buses. They might be powered by burning fuel in an engine or they could have battery powered electric motors but a school district of the size like Boston is going to have a fleet large enough that they will be procuring new buses fairly frequently.

Now a whole bunch of new buses that would have been bought one way or another will be funded by federal dollars which will free up cash in a future municipal budget year to be spent elsewhere, perhaps on the other priorities you are asking for.

The money is from the EPA specifically for this project. The funding can't be used for anything else.

Pollution emitting busses aren't the worst of Boston's problems but this money is "free" and electric busses are preferable to the diesel ones so there's no reason not to upgrade.

Sure diesel fumes are bad. But they are extra bad if you are still a kid. So, the harm reduction by reducing these fumes in this use setting, for this cohort of the population.... This is a long term win as well as a short term win.

This has been known for decades. Even when idling restrictions are in place, kids still breathe their own buses' exhaust on the bus.

These buses reduce pollution around schools and on the buses themselves. Massachusetts has some of the highest childhood asthma rates in the country, and motor vehicle emissions are a part of the problem.

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/air-quality-inside-school-buses-unhealthy
https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/air-quality-schoo...
https://www.mass.gov/doc/engine-idling-guidance-for-school-bus-drivers/d...

For a variety of political reasons, there has been a lot of time, money and energy put into electrifying transit buses. The problem is that the route characteristics of transit buses make them much harder to electrify. There are significant hurdles since agencies often need to buy more electric buses to provide the same level of service, and existing transit buses, which are often CNG (minimal local particulate emissions) or modern diesel-hybrid transmissions, have low particulate emissions anyway (which is what matters at a local scale, the CO2 benefit of a bus is that it isn't 40 people driving a car).

Transit buses are difficult to electrify because they need to provide service all day long while making frequent stops. The range in miles is not particularly important compared to the range in hours of cold weather operation: frequently open doors mean that in cold weather, 50% of the energy needed to heat a bus is used for cabin heat, or more. Diesel engines are only about 40% efficient, so there's plenty of waste heat to heat the cabin without impacting range. Electric motors are 100% efficient, but to heat the bus requires a lot of electricity. Since buses need a lot of electricity in a short amount of time, a bus yard requires as much electricity as a medium-size town, which doesn't come cheap.

So you wind up toting around a huge battery which you only fully need on the coldest days of the year or, even more idiotically, implementing electric buses with diesel heaters which, unlike diesel-hybrid buses, have no pollution controls, and have overall higher local particulate emissions (which, again, is really what matters for people who live near the buses) than the diesel buses they replace. Yes, really. You get lower CO2 emissions at the expense of more capital outlay, more particulate emissions, and worse service. It's a win-lose-lose-lose!

School buses, on the other hand, are much better candidates for electrification. They're only in use for 4-8 hours per day, in 2-4 hour chunks. They can be charged in between service and heated up while connected to power, and then only need to operate their route and heat the cabin for a few hours before a midday recharge. They only have one door and often only make a few stops which minimizes the loss of heat during operation. There's enough time to trickle-charge the already-smaller batteries in the midday and overnight since the buses are really only in use for a few hours in morning and evening (hours which map to the highest energy use and cost times of day; while transit buses do see peak service, there is much more service at other times of day, especially post-pandemic).

If the T had been run by competence in the Baker admin rather than run amok, they could have avoided taking federal funding to buy a fleet of more-polluting electric buses and building the infrastructure related to it (they got federal funding for this, but applying for money to expand the trolleybus network instead would have had significantly more benefit and not required buses with dirty diesel heaters), which we'll all be paying for for decades.

How do you get there you ask.

It's great they are replacing diesel buses with electric ones.....but if you wanna really make a difference to all 40,000 + BPS students,

Improve all BPS schools so kids can go to their neighborhood school and don't need to take a bus to school at all.

Sadly BPS is focused on adding more staff to central office that don't contribute directly to a school.

Here is a list of what each school has for central office staff- some are shared between schools or are currently vacant , what they actually do for each school isn't clear - multiply this by the number of BPS schools and you can start to see the issue with BPS...

Operational Leader -
District Social Worker -
Special Education AD -
OHR Liaison -
Early Childhood EQL Coach -
EQL Coach -
AIIM -
Budget Liaison -
Family Engagement Facilitator -
Supervisor of Attendance -
E&A Compliance -

I don't for even one second believe that there are 66 district administrative positions per school. Based on my experience as a BPS parent and spouse of a teacher, I call BS on these numbers.

Ignore those numbers that was a way to label the number of postions per school. I was told by a BPS admin that some of the positions listed are 1:1 per school and some are shared across schools. Some are also currently vacant. So since there are 4-12 support staff per school working from the Bolling building or from home, let's just say more than 30 people to fill those positions at all the 115 BPS schools, which is alot of people not providing direct educational value in my opinion to each of the schools since they don't appear to directly interact with the school staff except for the principal on an as needed basis...

Without documentation, you can claim whatever you want, but the numbers are simultaneously too vague and too specific (quite the achievement!) and can't really produce anything meaningful in terms of this discourse.

The BPD is not spending the money, they are filling out paperwork.

WE are spending the money. WE the people. Through the process of representative democracy, chose this. We decided on electric school busses, and then decided who would be best served by em.

The EPA does not have any role, or any place, spending money on education in schools.

But they DO have a role in reducing YOUR CHILD's exposure to actually rather terrible diesel fumes, which DO hurt your kids in the long run.

Now, say thank you to yourself. You are one of us, and WE chose wisely, in YOUR KIDS interest.

I don't have kids, I want to see money spent this way on your kids.

So the first 40 busses cost $650k each and the next 125 busses only cost $280k each? I do love a government contract.

Yes bulk buying gets you discounts, just like at Costco.

but not like that though

This purchase, at higher volume, is for 30-seat buses. It looks like the RFP that allowed the grant to be applied for was looking at buying the shorter buses, from 20 to 30 seats: https://www.boston.gov/bid-listings/ev00013642

The previously purchased buses, which you note cost significantly more money, were the full length school buses that can carry up to 71 students: https://investors.blue-bird.com/news-financial-reporting/press-releases/...

The cost difference between a 30-40 seat type A bus and a 70 seat type C bus is about 35-40% even at volume. The 2nd purchase seems to be priced right while it appears the city overpaid by $200k on each bus for the original 40. Those 40 should have cost around $400k to maybe a high of $500k if you really pimped them out. Zero oversight as usual.

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80% of the cost of a bus is the front half. The price does not more than double if you extend the rear to make it longer. Like building a house, adding a story does not make the cost go up by 120%.

Or shut up. Why is that so hard for you?

Oh, yah ... fragility demands hostility.

How much was actually paid for each bus.

A grant for X dollars to buy Y of a big ticket item may also have included funding for associated costs. For the previous grant for buses, it definitely included "charging infrastructure" (https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2024/01/massachusetts-sierra-c...) which would have eaten up some of that money. Maybe some of the funds went into staff training. We don't have the actual documents that would tell us all of that.

That press release also says it was for 50 buses and that Boston already had 20 electric buses. So somewhere the count is off. I'm guessing that Adam did not visit all of the bus yards and personally count up the number of electric buses in the city for this article though I'd be slightly impressed if he did!

How does the range of a battery bus compare with what a school bus needs to do? This probably makes more sense than electric MBTA buses, since school buses don't need to drive back and forth all day, and can do a relatively short trip and then take time to recharge.

Electric Avenue is playing...

Clean transportation to some of the worst schools in the Country.

I'm a glass half full kind of gal.

BPS isn’t above criticism but there’s no metric by which you can claim any of the schools are the worst in the country