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Massachusetts AG picks her first fight: Birthright citizenship

By adamg on Mon, 01/20/2025 - 11:05pm

Among the flurry of executive orders issued by the new president today is one that declares people born on American soil are no longer automatically US citizens, because he says so.

Massachusetts Attorney General Andrea Campbell vowed tonight to fight that re-interpretation of the 14th Amendment - although she said it won't be the only one she'll work against:

Birthright citizenship is a right spelled out in the Constitution. The President can’t take that away by executive order. We intend to make that clear.We will be reviewing this flood of executive orders and stand ready to defend the law and protect the people of Massachusetts.

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By deselby on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 5:33am.

There must be some grad student couple on an F-1 visa or similar who just gave birth, or will be around Boston.

a declaratory case might get standing and thus the issues wrong and fuck things up

By necturus on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 6:37am.

...it's just noise. You can't challenge noise in court.

By ST on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 8:15am.

When a parent fills out a birth certificate for a newborn at a hospital, there’s the option to apply for a Social Security number. From what I recall, it just involves checking one box - no extra documentation required. So that’s likely the first opportunity the federal government would have to apply the new rule, since there are far more restrictions on non-citizens getting Social Security numbers.

By SwirlyGrrl on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 3:29pm.

The massively unconstitutional convict's order claims that states cannot issue birth certificates.

Clearly the states have standing.

By Don't Panic on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 3:09am.

Read Section 2. Policy. (a) of his newly signed executive order.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-m...

The pertinent part: It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

According to my reading a birth certificate stating you were born in say Boston Massachusetts no longer means you are an American citizen.

I feel that soon US citizens will be required to carry papers certifying you are a citizen of the United States at all times. Sound familiar?

Will we all be issued something similar to a Green Card soon to prove citizenship and forced to carry it at all times to transact business like the immunization status card during COVID-19? MAGA Republicans hated that; Does anyone else think they'll accept this?

By lbb on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 11:09am.

Will we all be issued something similar to a Green Card soon to prove citizenship and forced to carry it at all times to transact business like the immunization status card during COVID-19? MAGA Republicans hated that; Does anyone else think they'll accept this?

You kidding? They'll be all over it. A few are libertarians, but most are straight up "freedom for me, not for thee" selfish prats.

By Robert Winters on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 6:52am.

John McCain was born in Panama while his father (an admiral in the U.S. Navy) was stationed in Panama in 1936.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/john-mccains-presidential-eligibility/

It was determined that he was a natural born citizen because his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth - even though he was born in Panama.

So... let's flip the situation. Suppose a couple are citizens of Mexico and are visiting the United States when their child is born. Analogous to the McCain situation, wouldn't that child then be considered a natural born citizen of Mexico?

By hats on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 7:21am.

That would depend on Mexico's laws, which are not in question here. And even if they were, the 14th Amendment does not forbid, preclude, or even address dual citizenship.

The issue at hand is that we literally have a constitutional amendment that says that regardless of the citizenship of your parents, if you are born on US soil, you automatically receive US citizenship. And That Man is trying to do away by that by saying that's what he wants. That is not how the US government is supposed to work. So, are we going to let it work like that, or no? Personally, I come down on the side of "no".

For what it's worth, I suspect if you look back in your own family history, you'll find ancestors who got their US citizenship via the 14th amendment.

I'll also note that a major group to contest the 14th Amendment was the defeated Confederate states.

By Charles E Olson on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 7:25am.

The child would be a US citizen per the 14th Amendment. Whether they are also a Mexican citizen depends on Mexican citizenship law, which I am not familiar with. There's such a thing as dual citizenship.

By MC Slim JB on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 8:10am.

language on the subject, you might have an argument. But it is: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

IANAL, but that seem pretty unambiguous to me. I assume that the Kakistocrat-in-Chief thinks a corrupt SCOTUS will find a way to read that ass-backwards.

By anon on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 8:38am.

Oh, I think you do, you can use the old "it was the intent of the people wrote the amendment". Illegal immigration wasn't an issue when the amendment was written, it was never meant to apply to persons in the country illegally.

By SwirlyGrrl on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 1:08pm.

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-amendment

A major provision of the 14th Amendment was to grant citizenship to “All persons born or naturalized in the United States,” thereby granting citizenship to formerly enslaved people.

Note that the original intent didn't cover undocumented aliens because there was no such thing as unlawful entry. You could just show up and be white and stay long enough to claim citizenship. https://socialwelfare.library.vcu.edu/federal/naturalization-process-in-...

The first naturalization act, passed by Congress on March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103), provided that any free, white, adult alien, male or female, who had resided within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States for a period of 2 years was eligible for citizenship. Under the act, any individual who desired to become a citizen was to apply to “any common law court of record, in any one of the states wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least.”

By Ari O on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 3:49pm.

We should go back to that.

By Jeff F on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 3:20am.

…you’re saying you’re down with a whites-only policy for immigrants seeking US citizenship?

By Lecil on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 8:23am.

The US constitution is clear here; that child is an American citizen. They might also be a Mexican citizen. Trump can't change either no matter how many pieces of paper he signs.

By BostonDog on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 9:16am.

Laws, the constitution, and court orders don't mean much if they are ignored

The supreme Court has made it clear they support the president to do almost anything and he will fire government employees who don't do what he demands.

He just released people who violently tried to overthrow Congress. You think he's going to let legal doctrine slow him down?

By Ari O on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 3:58pm.

Hint, it's not the federal government.

There's nothing on the birth certificate about parents' citizenship (it does have their place of birth, but that says nothing about their citizenship since they could be naturalized or born abroad to American parents). So how do you even enforce any of this? Have the federal government to require cities and states which issue vital records to establish citizenship?

This is all so exceedingly stupid but I guess eggs are cheap so, good job people. (Oh, wait.)

By lbb on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 8:55am.

That case found that McCain had US citizenship. It didn't rule on whether he was or was not entitled to citizenship in any other country; that would be absurd. Thus, your hypothetical child born in the US of Mexican citizens might or might not be entitled to Mexican citizenship according to Mexican law. They are entitled to US citizenship according to the US Constitution.

By peter on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 8:59am.

Are you thinking that a person can only have one citizenship? That's not true. When a baby is born, you need to check the citizenship rules for all the countries involved. In your example, the baby born to Mexican citizens on US soil would meet the requirements for Mexican citizenship (baby needs to have at least one Mexican citizen parent) AND US citizenship (born on US soil).

By necturus on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 9:17am.

...who are born, for instance, to European tourists who happen to be in the U.S. at the time. They later find that they have to file U.S. tax returns even though they've never lived in the U.S. They may have trouble opening bank accounts in their home countries, as foreign banks are subject to U.S.regulations if they do business with U.S. citizens, so many banks refuse to do so.

By Tim Mc. on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 9:17am.

You can end up with someone who is born being a citizen of multiple countries!

(I wonder if someone could theoretically be born with *zero* citizenships. Probably...)

By peter on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 12:29pm.

https://www.unhcr.org/ibelong/the-urgent-need-to-end-childhood-stateless...

By deselby on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 9:51am.

which was US territory at the time, not in the Republic of Panama.
So that was another factor in his eligibility as a "natural born citizen."

By SwirlyGrrl on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 1:12pm.

Since the beginning of our republic, the US has recognized any child born anywhere in the world to a US citizen parent to be a citizen. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C5-1/ALDE_00013692/

The whole thing was introductory bullshit for what we see here.

By deselby on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 2:27am.

for the presidency.

I agree that a child born anywhere of US citizen parents is not only a citizen but a "natural born citizen" eligible for the presidency, see George Romney and Ted Cruz, but that is a subject for debate.

The fact that McCain was born on US territory was a factor in THAT debate.

By deselby on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 10:00am.

A child born in Mexico is a Mexican citizen no matter the nationality of the parents.

A child born outside of Mexico to a Mexican parent is also a Mexican citizen.

By SwirlyGrrl on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 1:18pm.

Unless Mexico changed its laws, you have to affirm your citizenship when you reach the age of majority or let it go. Affirming your citizenship means you rescind any other citizenship you may have claim to.

I had numerous friends and colleagues who had to make this choice, as they had one US-citizen parent and one Mexican citizen parent. It isn't an uncommon thing on the west coast.

Canada, meanwhile, recognizes "dualies". When they unified and clarified their requirements, my father "woke up Canadian" and a colleague of mine who was born in Montreal was able to claim hers. My brother naturalized but he has dual status and carries two passports when travelling to the US.

ETA: Mexico recognized dual citizenship in 1998

By anon on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 7:39am.

AG Campbell has picked the right issue to fight about. Eventually this case will go to the Supreme Court and the conservatives appointed by Trump will overturn his executive order.

By necturus on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 9:25am.

And if they did, would he respect their decision?

By lbb on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 4:20pm.

Does his "respect", or lack thereof, matter? Parents don't have to go to Donald J. Trump to get a birth certificate.

By Rob on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 7:45pm.

Don't give him any more ideas. Nationalized birth certification, voter registration, etc...

By Don't Panic on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 11:29pm.

"TRUMP Nationalized Birth Certificates" available for $59.99 at all 'TRUMP, God Save America, Federal offices'.
personally signed by your favorite President only $40 extra. /s

By Frelmont on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 1:18pm.

Exactly. I don’t believe the mountaintop for Trump is undoing birthright citizenship, rather it’s the noise, energizing people excited by the idea in order to give him power in accomplishing his agenda and putting the debate of global migration the perceived abuse of 14A out there more.

And, people on both sides of this issue are certainly excited, no? Not only is this red meat for his base on the right (of the newsfotainment-political industrial complex,) but it is Manna for the (pseudo-)left pandering of the CNNs, MSNBCs, PBS and Balkanlands of the podcast, and internet world.

As long as my Democratic party continues its brilliant strategy of extending the tent to include Bernie’s Socialists (Socialists) the Democratic Party will continue to he divided and defeated, thwarted in doing the one basic thing we are supposed to do.

By lbb on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 3:51pm.

people on both sides of this issue are certainly excited, no?

I can't believe that even you would bothsides an "issue" like birthright citizenship. But when people have been trained (very well in some cases) to think of rights as "issues", "special interests" etc., I guess I shouldn't be surprise.

the (pseudo-)left pandering of the CNNs, MSNBCs, PBS and Balkanlands of the podcast

Bot.

Bernie’s Socialists (Socialists)

I'll bite. What are Socialists (Socialists)?

thwarted in doing the one basic thing we are supposed to do

And what's that one basic thing?

By Frelmont on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 10:35pm.

Both sides? Evidently. It wasn’t my idea. Is it a conditioned reflex to the words “both sides?” Clearly the AG is not ignoring the unfortunate side of this issue. As much of a (supposedly) non-starter ending birthright citizen is the AG cannot ignore it and as an added benefit is squelches somewhat the news of her boss's recent clarification that Massachusetts is not a sanctuary state.

Socialism in theory collectivism and the bridge to communism, tyranny. But, in contemporary terms the undermining of constitutional norms and knowingly signing unconstitutional laws daring the Supreme Court to overturn them and for the country overcome the hurtles of unwinding them. So many facets to this.

The one basic thing is “the economy!” by: constraining laissez-faire ideology, absolutely standing with unions, making a billionaire daytime talkshow host who platforms quackery and snake oil hucksters pay the freight of the campaign interview instead of grifting small Democrat donors.

By lbb on Thu, 01/23/2025 - 9:20am.

It wasn’t my idea.

Careful, you might trip and hurt yourself walking back that fast.

Is it a conditioned reflex to the words “both sides?”

No, bot, it's a rational response to yet another feeble right-wing false equivalency.

as an added benefit is squelches somewhat the news

Really? In what way does it "squelch" anything? Or is "squelch" yet another word you plucked from your thesaurus whose meaning you don't know?

Socialism in theory collectivism and the bridge to communism, tyranny.

I don't think you know what a single word in that poorly-constructed non-sentence means, except perhaps "and".

By Pete X on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 6:16pm.

You're a Trumper, bro, everyone see it. Have the courage of your convictions, instead of hiding behind this idiotic "your party" veil.

By Frelmont on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 6:48pm.

The Democratic Party is my party and I am committed to keeping it relevant and fit to oppose the laissez-faire philosophy of the right and the creeping, cryptic conservatives who suit up in our blue mantle and co-opted the Party and provide care and feeding of the Sanders graft which keeps the Party divided and toothless to fight economic inequality, so that we can get back to putting economic issues front and center, left right top bottom and end the distractions and antiAmericanism and antiWestern assaults on the country.

Yes, it is true that in the safe Massachusetts sandbox I advocated for and very much considered voting for Trump to send a message to the dogmatic, anti-reason Massachusetts establishment, but conditioning and fear got the better of me and voted for Biden and Harris and promptly took a shower. I’d by lying if I said I wasn’t whistling ‘It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas’ on the morning of November 6th, not for Trump, but for the comeuppance of the rotten elements in my Party. So, yeah, I regret not having the courage of my conviction, but I will remain unenrolled, because next time I won’t reward this nonsense with my vote.

By SwirlyGrrl on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 9:08pm.

Okay, Trumperbot

By Frelmont on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 10:45am.

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By Frelmont on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 12:40pm.

What is the original meaning of Section 1. ?

So, the A.G. picks her 1st battle, but did the Governor just clarify we’re not a sanctuary state on Wednesday?

https://apnews.com/article/massachusetts-homeless-migrants-shelter-gover...

By SwirlyGrrl on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 2:40pm.

You really are both disingenuous and dim.

Seriously consider your comments before posting them.

By Frelmont on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 4:20pm.

It’s a fair question. All debate is fair debate. We could all learn more about our history and beliefs and strength of beliefs of our population.

Why shouldn’t the scope of this question be defined, delineated and debated in the public sphere?

Yes, it is true that having a free and open discussion and review may provide legitimacy to proponents of amending birthright citizenship…on the other hand debate may affirm longstanding traditions and jurisprudence on the status quo.

I’m not sure Trump’s stated aim is his true aim, only a means to an end.

I don’t have papers handy showing I came over on the Mayflower, or an Ellis Island receipt on me…should I worry too?

By lbb on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 4:21pm.

All debate is fair debate.

It isn't. Intellectually dishonest, vapid, fact-free yammering is not "debate" in any case.

By SwirlyGrrl on Tue, 01/21/2025 - 4:57pm.

This has been settled law ever since.

The constitution overrides all of it. It was affirmed 135 years ago by the Supreme Court.

By Frelmont on Wed, 01/22/2025 - 7:28am.

Ok. Good. So, it’s settled then.