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Citizen complaint of the day: Too many strollers on Dwight Street

Double-wide stroller on Dwight Street

Double-wide on Dwight Street.

A fed-up citizen strolled down Dwight Street this morning and filed separate 311 complaints about strollers parked on the sidewalk and locked to railings at 4, 7, 25 and 35 Dwight and demanded the city "ticket and remove" them.

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Park Slope Stroller Mafia...

"I saw a mom with a stroller crossing the street yesterday in South Slope. I instantly felt dislike for her. I suspected her arms had fused with the stroller handles. She looked unhappy and yet very entitled...Is it the entitlement and uptightness of some PS mommies that people resent so much? Is that it? Is it that they act like the consummate grown ups when in fact it is a misfortune when people enter that head of arrogance in which they think they actually know better than other people, than their children, what's good and bad, and earnestly carry out those judgments."

http://ny.curbed.com/2008/1/4/10580956/park-slope-stroller-moms-on-secon...

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However the owners of such conveyances would never consider taking them on public accommodations. They were much about "show and pretense", and wouldn't be practical for people who, perhaps were so unfortunate as to not have servants taking care of the messy details.

Yes, cheaper models were sold to some mainstream consumers, but they were still considered baby carriages, and were mainly used by infants and not toddlers. Being transported in the baby carriage was seen as infantile, so when children were old enough to understand that, they didn't want to be placed in one, lest they be ridiculed by their toddler friends.

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Finally, someone developed a simple stroller that folded up to not much larger than an umbrella. This made it much easier to bring small children on public transit — because it was so simple to fold up the stroller and place the child on your lap.

No longer something just for infants, the strollers were employed for toddlers and even older children, but mainly as a temporary helper between being carried and walking on their own — not as the child's primary mode of transportation..

The stroller was quite like an umbrella, in that you could quickly deploy it when needed, and just as quickly stow it again before entering a bus or train. People got accustomed to taking children more places in these strollers.

But then, the strollers changed. The simple, practical, folding "umbrella strollers" kept getting larger and heavier, with wider and longer wheelbases. They became impractical to fold, and far too heavy to carry like an umbrella.

So we've come back to the heavy, oversized strollers of past pretense, but now they're being used by a much wider age range of children, and with the expectation that unlimited space will be made available for them on busses, trains, and sidewalks. It's a recipe for disaster!

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If these were bicycles would the City of Boston treat them differently?

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You do raise an interesting point. The city installs bike racks for cyclists, so why not install stroller racks for parents?

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If I worked as a building maintenance manager I would clip bikes off the front fence of my building [indeed ours do]. Bikes should not be parked long term outside either. It's one thing to lock your bike up outside briefly while you run in somewhere but if you love your bike for god's sake bring it inside overnight. It shouldn't have to sit outside long term for weather and parts thieves to render it junk.

Also, when I was a kid I did just fine in one of those ultra light, folding, basic stroller with canvas seat. Folded it is very small and light, barely more than the burden of an umbrella. I didn't die or anything. Why don't some of the parents invest in those if they live in the city?

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I use my bike at least once a day, often multiple times. Locking it outside is a major convenience I'd really like to keep.

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Parents usually have both.

The single/foldup/lightweight strollers are great for quick trips and one kid, but for longer walks the sturdy ones are better. Better for the parents back and legs pushing a stroller with good tires. Also you can run/jog with the bigger strollers. The bigger ones also hold more things (bags, food, baby stuff, etc).

I think the issue is whether or not they have the right to leave them on the sidewalk.

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For longer walks WALKING is better.

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I'm going to say all of them were out of the strollers at 3 years old as they all liked to walk at that point anyway. Sometimes you take the smaller portable ones if you are going somewhere and at the end of the day the kids get tired, but yea, 5 years old is kinda old.

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How many kids have you raised (credentials) and please cite sources for percentage of 5-year-olds still in strollers

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All out of the stroller by 3 or 4 years old. We regularly walked over a mile.

By 5 they were on trail-a-bikes.

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Take one parking space per block and turn it into bike and stroller parking.

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I read it that at the time the City investigated the complaints, three of the strollers were gone so they found no violation. In the one case that the stroller was still there (#7), the City noted the violation and said the stroller would be removed.

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Seems a bit of a fanatical thing to do, but in fairness baby carriages and strollers are really obnoxious these days. What happened to the unassuming ones from days of yore?

And while we're at it, I have noticed a trend of children in baby carriages and strollers who seem far too old to be in them. They're practically bursting out of the things. What's up with that?

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If you are talking about the obnoxious double strollers it has to do with fertility treatments resulting in twins.

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I, too, have noticed kids who look to be four -- and even five -- being pushed around like princes and princesses in these giant strollers. I was kicked out of the stroller to make way for my sister when I was two and a half or so. What is wrong with making a kid walk?

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If the parents are looking to get someplace on foot, they might not want to be slowed to the speed of a 3 year old to get there.

Then, there are the kids that will have a meltdown over having to walk, meaning either the parent has to carry the kid a half mile or so or they could keep the stroller handy (I was that kid decades ago.)

Lastly, my own personal thing, once I cannot get Waquiot Jr. in the jogging stroller for a run, my running schedule will be shot, so I will have no trouble putting him in the stroller as a 5 year old, at least for that.

In short, you might not like the reasons, but there are reasons to delay kicking them out of the stroller.

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There are a lot of options for strollers that fit on sidewalks and through doors and are not antisocial like this rig.

Far more than when my adult sons were young - and, yet, I still found a tandem that was long but not wide. Once the elder was 3 or 4, we used a tiny umbrella stroller as a sag wagon for the 2 year old and, sometimes, the 4 year old. The idea was to walk if possible (older kid was a rather fast walker, actually).

One that I have seen that I love is a sit/stand option - it has a platform in the back so that the older child can walk or ride, with out It really fills the gap between walking all the way and not walking at all.

Jogging strollers have a place - jogging on paths and quiet streets - but they do not fit on narrow sidewalks, through doors, or chained to a doorway on a narrow walkway. Especially the odious doubles that get shoved into people far too frequently by entitled parents.

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They have to be wide. This is Boston, it's all a competition to show what you own. Narrow strollers in the suburbs are poor people stuff.

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Someone I know had twins and people were horrified that she wanted the 2-seater, one in front of the other arrangement stroller. "Won't the child sitting in back feel inferior?!?" True facts.

She wanted it because it would be easier to negotiate doorways, etc. The kids would learn about taking turns for that front row seat.

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          ( that way, they'll learn the importance of sharing! )

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she did that when they're were first born. This was approximately 20 years ago and I don't work with her any more and unfortunately haven't kept in touch to know just how emotionally scarred they are. ;-)

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The longer ones are harder to turn, and are usually harder to push in general, but the wider ones are tougher to get through doors if you are by yourself.

And they are going to be too young to even communicate who gets in which seat, although I do remember one of my kids wanting to stand in the standing section of the stroller (only in the longer ones)

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But honestly - are you advocating for someone to own both types of strollers? Aren't those things really, really expensive?

As I noted above, this was +/-20 years ago.

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I see strollers on the T all the time. Many of these kids are way to big for a stroller and should be walking more. If your child cannot sit comfortable in a stroller.. which means, their feet aren't dragging on the ground and/or when on the foot rests their knees bend up more than 45 degrees, it's time to dump the stroller.

I know kids get tired of walking.. but your kid is never going to build up strength to walk distances. And if you need to be out all day with your child, plan your day around your child's ability. not because you need to do stuff. If it's too much, hire a babysitter instead.

And people wonder why childhood obesity is a big thing now.. make your kid walk instead. I can't tell you how many fat 4-5 year olds in strollers suckin down bug juice while eating a bag of doritos I see... Time to exercise.

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Having the kid in the stroller does not lead to inactivity or obesity per se. I was that whiny kid, and I ran a 10K today (without the stroller).

Sure, I'm defensive about this, but there is an alternative to pushing your kid around in a stroller- driving around with them in a car seat in the back. At least we are modeling an example of active living.

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Bring a small stroller, walk with the kid, sag them out.

If you have two kids, this works quite well for getting them both moving and learning to move on their own without pushing them too far. They take turns or both walk.

You were in a stroller to age 5 or 6? Really? We tossed ours out at age 4 for the younger - because he was used to walking, he no longer needed it.

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By 5 (probably, I was young then) I was stroller free, but dammit, I'm jogging with my son until either he breaks the stroller or hates going out in it himself. Hopefully, by the time he is 10 we will be jogging without a stroller.

Of course, 5 also puts me at school age, and I got to school via automobile at that point.

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Thank you for NOT being the woman during the 10K pushing a stroller (when the BAA rules clearly stated no strollers allowed) yelling at people to get out of her way!

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I bet you have many children all of whom are very good walkers and never get fussy about walking or tired. Thanks for your expert, insightful advice on how people with children should plan their day or whether they should hire a babysitter. I will spread the word around.

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I understand that children are selfish by nature, and that it takes real work to get them to understand that it's really not all about them and their needs...but that's part of what you sign on to when you have kids. We're not talking about how you accessorize your child at home, but how your stroller (and your use of it) impacts the ability of others to use a public space. It isn't right to opt for maximum comfort and convenience for yourself, and ignore the problems that it creates for others. I've experienced the "stroller blocking the front of the bus/driver still expects everyone to pay up front" hassle more times than I can count. The maximally considerate parents flip up two sets of seats, taking away seating for four adults for one parent and child -- that's the best outcome for a stroller on the bus. I get it, WE ALL GET IT that you and your kid have to get places, but so do the rest of us. So forfucksake, given that no one is going to make you stop using your stroller in selfish ways, given that we have no choice but to put up with this bullshit, the very least you could do is not get snotty as you have above and suggest that others are being unreasonable. You AND your kids need to do some growing up.

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How many times have you had a life altering experience because of a double stroller?

I admit I don't use the T too often, but besides that, I've never had an issue with them besides aesthetic issues.

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I admit I don't use the T too often

I guess you don't. So tell me something: in your own life, do you ever object to anything that's a problem, but not a "life-altering experience"? For example, someone bangs on a metal trash can outside your window at 5 am - do you object? You probably do, and more so if it happens on a frequent basis. Would you consider it a "life altering experience"? Yes or no?

Not being able to get on a bus, not being able to get to a seat, having a stroller part grind into your sprained knee for twenty minutes, being in a virtual mosh pit in the front of the bus because a stroller is blocking access to the back of the bus, standing when you're god damned tired and in pain because a stroller is taking up four seats -- these are pretty common occurrences for those of us who DO take the T often. Would you consider these "life altering"? Maybe not. But if you were on the receiving end, you might not be so dismissive.

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And I've never been bothered by bikes or strollers on the T, or on the road or sidewalk. Every once in a while a cyclist will break the law in front of me, but even that is a minor annoyance at best.

And I might object about things that bother me, but not to the extent of the cry babies on this thread.

Either way I was talking about the strollers like the one in the photo, not the ones on the T, that was part of my point.

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And I've never been bothered by bikes or strollers on the T, or on the road or sidewalk.

Why does that not greatly surprise me? I'm sure Donald Trump is not bothered by traffic jams on the LIE, either, he just...goes around it.

And I might object about things that bother me, but not to the extent of the cry babies on this thread.

Indeed, I can imagine it's hard to express your pique around the silver spoon in your mouth.

Ride the bus daily for a solid year, during rush hour, then tell me strollers on the bus aren't a problem and anyone who says they are is a "cry baby"[sic].

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relax, I'm talking about the people who think strollers in the sidewalk are a problem, not your everyday bus problem, that's why I mentioned that I didn't take the T in my first post.

That being said, you sound like a high maintance cry baby who is probably difficult to deal with in general, you probably have bigger problems than strollers on buses. But that's your problem, not mine.

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you sound like a high maintance cry baby who is probably difficult to deal with in general

...says the guy who resorted to childish name calling. Look in the mirror, please do.

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It looks like the double stroller is parked in front of a walk-up building. Do you guys have any idea how hard it is to carry one of those up stairs while also carrying the contents of the stroller (i.e., wiggly babies or toddlers)? It's not really safe to push the stroller w/kids up and down stairs. And once you've gotten the kids up to the apartment, you can't leave them alone while you go back down to retrieve the stroller.

Have a little compassion!

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Compassion is for people who have endured tragedy. Choosing to have kids and living in a walk up with them does not warrant compassion.

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It's all part of the "me and my precious baby are the center of the universe" syndrome. We are now supposed to feel "compassion" because you made the ill advised decision to buy a stroller so unwieldy that it cannot be easily be stored or carried up a flight of stairs. The old fold up ones could easily have been tucked under an arm if need be.

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We know what's really going on in the south end, and it's not the fucking strollers. It's the anger and resentment towards young, wealthy families that is driving this. To that, I say, have a sense of history. The African American families, who lived here for decades and were priced out in the 90s/early aughts, we're not terribly excited about the gentrification visited upon the neighborhood.

Neighborhoods change. Adjust, be good to your neighbors, and approach them with some measure of understanding and respect to resolve issues.

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I don't know who the complainer is, but white people in the South End have a long and hallowed tradition of complaining about everything.

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"It's the anger and resentment towards young, wealthy families that is driving this."

Don't try to make this all sociological. Annoying strollers are annoying strollers. My East Boston neighborhood, a blue collar/ working class/ Spanish speaking/lower income neighborhood if ever there was one, also has these ridiculous strollers and they are just as much a pain as in the chi-chi Sound End. Try riding the 120 bus with these strollers taking up most of the room.

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Once Boston Latin is dismantled, you don't have to live in the City anymore.....

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If they lived there when they gave birth, they should have gotten a more appropriate means of transportation. If they moved there after birth, they aren't too bright to move into a place where they have to store your stroller on the street. On the other hand, I have brought stroller and child up stairs with few issues. I still do it, and he's probably 35 pounds by now (we jog, and to get to the door it's about 8 steps from the street, but I have bounced him further up stairs.)

It sounds like a lot of poor planning on Dwight Street.

Jim Gaffigan (the comedian, not the poster on this website) talks about dealing with strollers in New York. His clan was able to find a place in the lobby to store the stroller. That's a much better option in so many ways.

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Our parents carried us until we were big enough to walk. If we didn't walk fast enough for the occasion, they'd pick us up and carry us again. It was simple and effective.

Twins? You've got two arms, haven't you?

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Bullshit, bullshit.

My tandem was 45 lbs and I still took it upstairs.

In my day, the MBTA required parents to fold the damn things while transporting.

I carried the infant and the stroller and my older kid held onto the stroller. Not hard at all.

You can also settle them in their room, close the gate, and run down and get it.

Been there, done that, not that hard, and bullshit.

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Did you also carry them in the snow, barefoot, and uphill both ways?

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I believe her point is IT ISN'T HARD to just clean up your damn stuff.

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if you want an excuse to pressure on this

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None of those side streets have sidewalks that are wide (or even) enough to be ADA compliant. This stroller is clearly right up against the wall. If someone had a patio chair there, would people be bitching the same? Likely not.

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aren't exactly adequate for wheelchairs, either. In fact, it's tough enough to walk on them with all the broken bricks and pieces sticking up. I can't fathom how women (or men) in heels do it.

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they're historic

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I'm old now. My youngest of 3 is 22 and I have stroller-age grandkids. Yet, I remember those days. I am quick to help parents (usually moms) struggling with strollers at subways, buses and stores.

On the other hand, these urban-assault strollers are not civil. They are indulgences for the arrogant. In JP, the South End and the Back Bay in particular, God help you if you don't jump aside from the hipster dad thrusting his kiddos at you in one of these.The Special Moms most often run people off the sidewalk as they ignore their offspring and text or talk instead.

Screw 'em. Every one.

If they insist on these massive double-wides, they need to trundle Aiden and Brittany to their condo, then return to fold the assault stroller and hump it up or down for the night. You're in a city...with other humans.... Get with the program.

Harrumph.

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You are right on the money abut mothers who are talking and texting away while rumbling down the street with these monstrosities, paying absolutely no attention to the baby or the sidewalk ahead of them. Not to mention these gargantuan strollers also seem to be mobile storage units with numerous shelves, closets and compartments, all packed to the gills with junk.

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Such enormous strollers are a menace to public safety — particularly so in the environment of a crowded bus or subway car. Operators of these devices frequently position them as barricades across the subway platforms, obstructing the flow of passengers through to less crowded areas before or while trains are arriving. It's dangerous!

The has specific rules regarding the transport of bicycles, and restricts them to non-rush hour times. Similar rules should be applied to strollers. There also should be some basic size limitation that no stroller on The may exceed — big enough to carry a child safely, but not so big that it becomes a rolling toybox/closet/pantry/shopping cart.

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The T tried to ban them or make people fold them up a few years ago. It didn't go over well with moms.

I supported this measure 100%. Tired of Princess's mommie blocking the aisle of a bus with a stroller so no one can get by to get to the back of the bus.

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The bike path.

That's it. Otherwise, they don't fit through doors, some don't fold, and all are ridiculous.

-Grumpy old mom who used to fold her damn stroller on the T

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A Burley is just as wide as a hummerstroller. Running with them on a path is okay. They aren't any more difficult to pass than a bike trailer.

If people brought bike trailers into stores, could you hear the screaming?

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In general, runners are much more aware of their surroundings and keep their gaze attuned to the path ahead. People who stroll often gather in pairs and walk side-by-side gossiping with each other while obstructing the path or sidewalk for everyone else.

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I am an "SUV" stroller owner. I use it to schlep my two kids and their stuff the 2 1/2 miles over to day care every morning. Apparently this makes me arrogant and indulgent.

Of course, if I drove them in an actual SUV, which would cost and weigh almost exactly 100 times as much, would slow down everyone else's commute, and would require an 8 foot by 20 foot parking space at both the start and end of the drive - well, this would make me "normal".

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Apparently this makes me arrogant and indulgent.

Not necessarily, but it does make you someone who's taking up a lot of space. Maybe you do everything you can to mitigate this, but still, if you were to go through the exercise of really paying attention to how your SUV stroller affects others, I wonder what you'd notice. People stepping off sidewalks? People unable to get under the bus shelter because of the amount of room you're taking up? Bus passengers unable to get to open space because your stroller is blocking the aisle? Maybe you do absolutely none of those things. But would you be willing to really observe for a day or two and report back?

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If the stroller is one of those double-wide abomination monstrosities, it doesn't belong anywhere in the city.

If you never take it on the T and it is a front/back model that actually fits through a doorway and is only as wide as you on the sidewalk,that's fine.

The problem here is when GIANT EFFING STROLLER plus WAY TOO MUCH STUFF = Entitled yelling at others to get out of the way of the precious children, when said children alone would take up 1/4 of the space of the giant effing stroller.

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I really wonder how many of these people whining about strollers have or have had children? You know, like having to actually manage 2 kids on a long walk to a market and have to carry stuff back.

Just wondering....

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Nearly all have.

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Actually, from the sounds of it, almost none.

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... in order to be annoyed by rude people using small children as an excuse to ram people with a shopping-cart-sized object wherever they go.

Parents on this thread are the most annoyed because they know that it is completely unnecessary if you aren't horrifically lazy and entitled and raising blobs.

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I know that the "do YOU have kids?" line is supposed to be a magic get-out-of-jail-free card, but really, what does having kids have anything to do with not being able to get on the damn bus and having to stand in the rain waiting for another one because a stroller has the aisle blocked? If two people get screwed out of their ride home from work because of a stroller, one a parent and the other not, is it reasonable for the parent to be pissed off and unreasonable for the other?

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If they can walk, they can also carry a small shopping bag. The younger they are, the more eager a child is to help out with simple chores. That's the perfect time to begin teaching lessons of responsibility and contribution to the family unit.

The stores used to cater to this — shopkeepers and grocery baggers were aware of shoppers with children, and would bag some items in a smaller bag, with an appropriate size and weight for the children to carry. Of course, they wanted to build future customers, so helping kids learn about shopping at an early age was a benefit to everyone.

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Until strollers kill 35000 people in America every year lets lay off on the SUV stroller BS. Big strollers are annoying, not lethal.

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Until strollers kill 35000 people in America every year

I can't believe you're actually trying to police the use of the phrase "SUV" to refer to large strollers. I think we all understand that fatalities caused by automobiles are your special hobbyhorse, but you're not gonna win this one.

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Quiet you! Axes are being ground.

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Give me a break. Great to see children in the SE. Hopefully there will be more children than dogs! Hopefully these kids will stay and go to public school too.

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Double parking, in particular South Boston, as noted on this page many times, is a major infraction. In the South End, the double wide stroller, that somehow is an inconvenience (and similar accouterments), is excused and explained.
Great stuff.
Please continue!

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Wide strollers are only an issue because pedestrians get screwed over by drivers. They get four times as much space despite the fact that drivers are vastly outnumbered. Take away a driving lane and you will solve this problem and make Boston a safer place.

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Taking away a driving lane isn't possible, given how flammable these old neighborhoods are.

Shared streets would be great, but emergency vehicle access is critically important.

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you prove my point. Parked cars and driving lanes are what block emergency vehicles. not pedestrians. Less cars equals more room for emergency vehicles. Of course drivers would never give up a lane for emergency vehicles. Their priorities are self evident.

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If a carriage isn't restricting the ADA required width of a sidewalk, and isn't abandoned long-term, why would the city issue a citation?

That said, I'd like to ticket the double-wide strollers left beside the milk/sugar table in Starbucks while Mom sends a text message many days at 8:30am.

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The whole stroller debate is just another little thing I that makes me glad I've decided not to have children.

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We're glad too!

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Prime example of this 311 system that has gotten out of hand and gone to some people's heads. Waste of city resources while they bitch and moan about a dead leaf on the sidewalk on the first day of fall.

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Entitled much? A public sidewalk isn't a place to store your crap.

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Yeah. That's right. "Fuck em", as one commenter said. Fuck these parents and their children, these *human beings*, who have momentarily made your life hell by having to step around their strollers, or think about it while browsing UniversalHub on your expensive, internet-enabled computing device. These people whose views of living are sub-optimal and thus worthy of unmitigated reproach.

You know better. You walked uphill both ways in the snow. Car broke down on family vacation? You all walked the remaining 300 miles to Disneyworld, sharing half a gallon of water that you had to carry. And this was when tickets were only $15 a person, mind you - and if you didn't earn the money for your ticket via paper route/gutter cleaning/pre-OSHA-enforced-rules-on-underage-farm-labor in time for the annual trip, well guess who was sitting on the curb outside all day?

Yeah, fuck these people who deign to have more than one child, who you know nothing about - by their strollers, you know all you need to know.

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The fact that quite a number of people have posted here about running/jogging with their children in strollers really opened my eyes. When did THAT become a thing? As if runners/joggers aren't annoying enough, now they have to push strollers while they're doing it? I'm really starting to embrace the "get off my lawn" lifestyle.

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Lol, what? Now runners and joggers are annoying?

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1. I get an extra run or 2 in per week.
2. When Jr. was younger, I was able to get him to nap while running.
3. He is into the active lifestyle. He loves races (and yes, I do race with him, but I do also try to keep from bumping people. And no, I don't start in the back, since I will end up passing most of the other runners anyways.)

I'm glad that running with a stroller is a thing. Are you going to walk with your kid 2 miles to see something? On the other hand, the little one loves 4 mile runs.

I suppose I could do the opposite, sit around in front of the TV all day, gain 30 pounds, and the little one will somehow get some exercise, but running is more fun.

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Once they fit on a tag-a-long, they can start pedaling themselves. Then a tandem and then their own bike.

Too bad you haven't tried running with your kid - sure, it would be slow, but your kid would benefit and so would you.

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But he isn't going to be running 5Ks for another few years. He genuinely enjoys getting out in the fresh air and seeing the sights from the jogger now. I'd up the distance to 5.5 miles, but that would entail stopping at TWO parks, which would make the run an all-day affair. As it is, we stop 3 miles in for usually 45 minutes for him to get "his" run in.

As far as bikes go, the missus doesn't really like the back seat we got for junior for his first birthday. Balancing when one is starting off is an issue. I've heard this gripe from others. Strollers are easier. I just had to wait until he was steady enough to sit in the thing unaided. One of our early runs was from Roslindale to Back Bay.

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breathtaking picture of a blatant act of hostility. We need to take our sidewalks back from the stroller jihad. Close the borders, build a wall and make our sidewalks great again.

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Fantastic. Between bitching about strollers, kids, people with kids, hipsters, yuppies, and even joggers/runners, this thread is a wonderful display of intolerant, entitled Masshole mentality of me-me-me-me first.

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...who never rides the bus.

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Any of these vehicles blocking staircases or the sidewalk or both could be folded more compactly and chained up such that they took the space of a bike or less - or could be carried into the building!!

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People in this city whining about big strollers are the same people who whine that there aren't enough bike lanes and affordable housing. Go pound sand while I force you off the sidewalks with my $1500 Bugaboo.

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Listen to yourself. You're venting in a thread on uhub; you're not communicating with any of the people who complain about big strollers, much less listening to them. You're making up an imaginary, delusional story about these people. Doesn't it strike you as insane to make up stories in your head like that and pretend that it's reality?

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Award.

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How dare there be children in this city! It's for millenials only! Children must be born and brought up in incubator-suburbs!

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