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Citizen complaint of the day: Theater District club kids vs. residents
By adamg on Sun, 07/10/2016 - 1:31pm
An irate citizen filed a complaint at 2:23 a.m. today about the intersection of Boylston and Tremont streets:
Street is closed - my uber driver just informed me that Boston closes the street every weekend to allow people to leave the bars! Frankly, I can't believe this. As a tax paying resident I think it's entirely inappropriate to deny residents access to their neighborhoods to allow people to leave a bar. Boston needs to come up with a new solution that doesn't inconvenience residents.
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Those clubbies probably
Those clubbies probably stagger home to be your neighbors.... Wait'll they pump up the volume in those $3500/month apartments next to yours... Then you'll REALLY have something to complain about.... BWAAHAAAHAAA
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/08/26/l...
"As a tax paying resident"
Has anyone ever used this phrase (or one like it) and not looked like a twat?
They Want Accessible Thoroughfares?
No, I suppose this may well be the very first time that phrase was used in this context.
Just a GIF day, huh.
I can see how you'd need to
having exhausted the very last of yours with 'twat'
pff.
"The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just a fucking lunatic.”
- Stephen Fry
Also, is "I know you are but what am I" really the best you can do?
It's not
It's not, but it's about the limit of what I suspect you'd understand, given that you think Seth McFarlane and Stephen Fry are actual points in an argument.
Heh.
You think this is an argument.
Don't make me
pull this car over and smack the two of you!
I wish they would do this in the Fenway.
This is Boston. Students and young professionals. Empty nesters and non-resident condo owners take notice.
Closing a street in the middle of the night is a much better option than Uber drivers hitting pedestrians as they make Uturns and stare at their phones.
There are plenty of people in
There are plenty of people in Boston who aren't students or young professionals. Most of those people don't stay in the city very long anyway.
I agree.
So why cater to them?
See, it's a funny joke because your referent actually relates to the subject of the main clause of your sentence.
You criticize the writing of
You criticize the writing of others here while having typos in yours. It's true that the young professionals and students don't stay as long in the city.
In case the poster edits it,
In case the poster edits it, it currently says "referent".
Actually
I don't think that is incorrect.
Indeed
Why would I edit it?
Just because I used a word you don't know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referent
A particular young professional or student may or may not stay long in the city, but young professionals and students will be here much longer than you.
Forgot the pokemon go
Forgot the pokemon go epidemic now
Aren't there more than two choices?
I fear for your children. I can just see you serving your children raw steaming hog guts for breakfast and telling them, "It's a much better option than sending you to work in the mines."
Ahh the old "move into Fenway
Ahh the old "move into Fenway and then complain about baseball games" trick. A Boston classic rarely applied to DTX.
Boylston and Tremont isn't DTX
Technically, Boylston and Tremont isn't DTX. I guess it's considered the Theater District, although I'd put the Theater District one block further at Tremont and Stuart (especially with he closing of the Colonial, which IS at Boylston and Tremont), but that's just me. I guess Boylston and Tremont is the entrance to the Theater District.
Theater District
The Emerson Majestic is just about as close to that intersection as the Colonial. I think the Colonial will re-open one day, since it won't be turned into a cafeteria anymore.
Question:
or how bout...
That last Citizens Connect complaint about someone in the apts by the Garden complaining about noise when the Bruins game gets out. UHub needs the "I'm laughing so hard I'm crying" emoji.
They should close that intersection all the time
It wasn't built for cars, but for trolleys and carriages. /snark
When did you open that snark tag?
Must've been years ago judging by what's on the left side of the close.
Wha!?
I'm sure the City will address that with the appropriate priority it deserves.
Tremont and Stuart is bedlam at weekend closing times
Both the intersection and the streets. Absolutely nuts. Drunks everywhere jaywalking obliviously. Running around yah-dudeing and wooing. Fighting, staggering, and vomiting. Complete and utter shit show.
Previously cops tried to manage traffic at that intersection but I'm not surprised they simply closed Tremont at Boylston to stop traffic coming thru.
Very prudent course of action that inconveniences few but protects many. Not ideal but what's the alternative?
And I wouldn't characterize the event as closing the street to "allow people to leave a bar."
It's more akin to closing streets during major events in order to maintain safety.
But but but but but ....
I want to drive through there at that time and having a car makes me special and entitles me to the exclusive use of that space far more than those hundreds of people who are not in cars!
Progress, Swirly, progress
You now understand the distinction between city streets and city sidewalks. With hard work and dedication, you'll soon advance to understanding the distinction between car lanes and bike lanes.
I know that distinction
CAR LANES are on the PIKE or I-93 or I-95
BIKE LANES are there for bikes, although they far too often seem to be commandeered by "special" people who take up far too much space with their vehicles because they think that driving or storing their massively oversized mobility aid has priority over everything.
The rest are TRAVEL LANES and are not the exclusive province of any vehicle. Riding horses, walking, biking, driving - all have equal right to that space. This is very well established.
You might want to look up the MGLs sometime - they really spell it out nicely, and our judges agree (e.g. DCR getting smacked for harassing cyclists on bridges). You aren't in Indiana anymore.
how is it possible to not be
how is it possible to not be terminally bored with this argument by now
Believe me, it'll never stop
being an endless source of amusement.
Sometimes, you just want to hear Who's On First in its entirety. Sometimes you just want to get Swirly to earnestly and honestly insist that the MGL's poorly written section about bikes supersedes the Universe's very well-written section on the laws of physics.
So, this is about physics?
And not about obeying laws. Or actually bothering to learn how to drive and do it properly.
Hmmm. Where do you live again? I actually know a lot about physics. I learned quite a bit of that at MIT. I could unleash plenty of physics in your neighborhood, maybe some chemistry, too. Because I got powerful physics, I get to kill whomever I want, right?
Because physics. Fuck yeah!
Except I actually believe in ethics and the rule of law and personal responsibility and all of that "inconvenient to ME" stuff.
All those poorly written laws about using physics to clear an area. Harummph.
See, what'd I say...
Swirly has the best words! I wonder if Trump's uncle taught her while she was at MIT.
I mean where else can you get a person lecturing you about rights to access and freedom of movement in one breath and then declaring that motorists have no such rights in the next? With a casual threat thrown in the mix, for the cherry on top!
And while the leftie to raving lunie in under a Planck time is a record to be proud of, I do worry, as her problem continues to be that she thinks legal codes, ethics, and personal restraint are something that can make a car go from thirty to zero in under a Planck time.
MIT grads know physics
Even if they studied poetry, they know physics.
You tried to claim that she didn't understand physics, so she mentioned MIT.
You are either just too much of a dimwit to understand that, or too disturbed by a woman having gone to a better school to admit it.
Oh dear, someone just dropped
Oh dear, someone just dropped the M-bomb.
Yes, I'm totally bored of it
It is completely boring to have to repeat something this simple over and over to people who can't manage basic research and critical thinking skills - or comprehend the words "no" and "limits" and "self control" and how they actually apply to everyone.
how do you manage to keep the
how do you manage to keep the same level of energy about it? i couldn't rant about anything so prolifically. and i love to complain about everything.
Back in the days of the Combat Zone...
I'm not kidding, you didn't see this kind of behavior back when that area was part of (or on the fringes of) the Combat Zone. I partook in much of what Boston's nightlife had to offer in that area back in the 70s and 80s and there were no such hordes of people crudely swarming the streets. and no areas had to be shut down when the establishments closed. People were a bit more discreet for whatever their reasons.
Kenmore Square
Was the model of decorum back in the day.
I recall sitting in one of the pizza places looking out over the crowd outside trying to get in when I saw a cop and a knife wielder face off. I don't know how it played out as I realized being up against plate glass with an impending riot wasn't the best place then & there.
Of course a later last call
would mean that departures from the clubs and bars would be staggered throughout a few hours, and you wouldn't have everyone trying to hail a cab, loitering in packs or leaving parking garages all at the same time.
Binge drinking may be reduced since nobody goes out until after 11 and people have to cram in their drinking in a shorter period of time, traffic would not be as crazy, there would not be as much noise, and crime would likely be reduced. It's not like the T could be an option at that time of night.
But that would make too much sense.
Not sure later closing times would work that way
In the Theater District or places like Fanueil Hall..
The TD is full of dance clubs and young people looking to hook up. I doubt many of them would leave much earlier than closing time.
Same as at FH. You don't leave the meat market until you get your meat, and that's ten doesn't happen til everyone is forced to leave.
I'm not at all opposed to later closing times but this reasoning has never quite clicked with me.
Are there studies or other data to prove ths works? I'm curious where this line of argument originated as well.
YES
Yes, this, x10. The issue is that everything gets out at the same time. DJs and shows don't start til 11, yet the clubs close at 2 - people get ramped up and then dumped out on the street with whiplash like speed. Stagger the closing hours or simply allow later closing and people can make their way out over time.
Why won't the kids go to the club after midnight then stay
Until closing time?
Let's be honest, that's when most of the hookups occur.
Any facts behind this trickle out theory?
I have no problem with later closing times but just don't think it will curtail the behavior under question.
Move to Newton instead ..
Move to Newton instead ...problem solved
Walk? For 3 minutes?
Walk? For 3 minutes?
Car users get to use the
Car users get to use the street 167 hours of the week. Club goers get to use it 1 hour per week, by recommendation of the police, and somehow to that is unfair to the car users? Incredible showing of entitlement, citizen. Truly impressive.
No drive=by shootings without driving by
Clubs letting out is when gang violence has occurred in clubs around that neighborhood. Four ounce bullets are more deadly than slow-moving 3,000 lb cars.
Sounds no different than what happens around Fenway Park
after a Sox game lets out. Brookline Ave. over the Pike becomes wall-to-wall pedestrians for a while.