Turnpike toll plazas shut down tomorrow night; the transponderless get a six-month grace period
At 10 p.m. on Friday, the last toll will be collected by hand somewhere along the turnpike and the new electronic system gets turned on.
MassDOT announced today that people who get on the turnpike without a transponder after 10 p.m. on Friday will get mailed bills without a surcharge for the next six months. After that, they'll get bills with an extra fee for not using a transponder.
Drivers are cautioned that beginning at 10 p.m., Friday, the 15 mph speed limit that exists today at toll plazas will stay in effect through November 22, as construction crews shift the traffic patterns and begin the process of demolishing the center areas of existing toll plazas and reconstructing the roadways in those center areas. Drivers should allow extra time to reach destinations, consider traveling by mass transit if possible, and obey directions on posted signs and by law enforcement officers who will be present.
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Which transponder fee?
Based on the toll calculator I found on the MassDOT site, the tolls are significantly higher for out-of-state transponders than they are for MA EZPasses.
The difference between tolls
The difference between tolls for out-of-state transponders and tolls for MA transponders is approximately equal to the previous difference between E-ZPass and cash toll rates.
And by the way, out-of-state transponders have always had to pay the cash rate anyway.
It's going to cost about half
It's going to cost about half a BILLION for this project. Will they pay for that by raising the tolls or the gas tax? Of course not. And now a six month grace period? Can I get a six month grace period on the latest T fare increase?
This is not true at all. The
This is not true at all. The ACTUAL costs are available on the MassDOT All Electronic Tolling project website:
That's a total cost of $263 million. The website also says that anticipated annual operating savings are around $50 million, meaning in a little over 5 years the conversion will have paid for itself. And that's just the savings directly attributable to MassDOT - there also will be indirect savings for the state's economy in the form of reduced fuel consumption and emissions from vehicles not having to stop to pay tolls.
Actually, the annual savings are $5 million
From MassDOT's blog last June:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/massdot-moves-forwar...
The $50 million annual savings the media has been quoting was a preliminary estimate prepared when AET was first being considered, and didn't account for the re-assignment of some toll takers or the cost of the early buyout program for other toll takers.
So, based on the quoted $5 million annual savings, and assuming no maintenance costs (which is unrealistic), and the $263 million cost for AET implementation and toll plaza demolition, the payback period is just under 57 years, not 5 years.
take a deep breath
Did the model of the car in the virtual rendering trigger you?
Toll Booths
My question for those who may know:
When are the booths going to be dismantled? Regardless of anyone being in them, they will continue to slow down traffic, especially on the dreaded holiday weekends.
The contractor has already
The contractor has already mobilized, and demolition will begin immediately at 10 pm tomorrow. If you've driven the Pike within the past week or two you may have noticed new pavement markings and signage already in place for the work zone setups.
According to the above,
They're supposed to be demolished to the point where they're no longer impeding traffic by 2 days before Thanksgiving.
Confident
And I am TOTALLY sure that it will be done then, and there won't be carmageddon on Thanksgiving morning.
Note to self: stay off the Pike on November 24.
Why is this year different?
Why is this year different? Construction project or no, if you drive the Pike around Thanksgiving, it's just gonna suck.
It's just a demo job. Demo
It's just a demo job. Demo usually doesn't suffer excruciating delays, unless it's weather related.
One good snowstorm
will quickly change that schedule.
Watched the video
Okay, so when I posted this question I wasn't able to see/view that attached video.
I'm impressed with the plan, and hope it goes smoothly.
If these are actually all cleared out by Thanksgiving, I'll be very surprised. Maybe we should have a "Toll Pool" going..
Virtual Massholes
The video is funny! Check it out around 1:00 to 1:20 on the video to see classic bad lane changing behavior.
The video is awesome
I've never seen such a good representation of how locals drive. They swerve, cut one another off, and not a single car is shown using turn signals.
Not Massholes!!!
Look at those license plates. European plates with European drivers. Probably Amsterdam tourists overexcited about not having any bikes in their way!
Massholes
Dutch drivers and German drivers get heavily fined for that nonsense.
The fine for giving someone
The fine for giving someone the finger is pretty damn steep in Germany. And if you're wondering how they're going to prove anything, the answer is the party will call you in to the police (and people will!) and then you'll HAVE to talk to the cops and the court. Want to deal with the hassle?
What prevents people from calling in fake reports? Honesty and that they would be held responsible for false reports.
Source: friend from Germany who was appalled at the way Massholes drive.
Lots of 8-character
Lots of 8-character California plates
Not a Califormia plate.
(This is getting silly now)
No true masshole fallacy?
No true masshole fallacy?
Now that toll booths will be gone....
How about making electronic tolling for 93 and 3? right now tolling unfairly costs people commuting into or out of the Boston area from the western suburbs. How is this fair when those commuting into or out of the city from the North or South pay nothing? I thought the pike was paid for years ago? the gas tax isn't being raised so how are those other highways paying for themselves? How about an electronic toll at the Rhode Island and NH border with 95? This seems so arbitrary now.
3 could have tolls
93 can't have tolls due to federal law.
That Could Be Changed, If The Politicians Cared About It
Not true
At least not fully. AFAIK, there's just a trade off in fed funding if we do so. But other states have found its worth it to forgo the funding and bring in their own revenue.
With the amount of traffic going into Boston daily, I'm betting it would be totally worth it.
Most states forego the Federal funding by turning
the roadway over to a private entity for conversion to a toll road. If you think this is a good idea, google "Indiana Toll Road" and "Transurban".
Transuburban isn't going to
Transuburban isn't going to turn up anything. You actually want to Google Transurban.
And if you're feeling lazy, Transurban is an Australian company that manages private toll roads all over the world. And they've had a terrible track record in the US. Private toll roads tend to work in other countries, but almost every single one here has gone bankrupt, See the Pocahontas Parkway (895) in Virginia, as an example.
And it's not just Transurban. Other high profile failures have been the Indiana Toll Road and Texas SH 130.
Even Mexico's private tolled Autopistas have struggled to make enough in toll revenue to remain in the black for investors.
Corrected it
Thanks. Once again, STSF (shouldn't type so fast) got the best of me.
It's a little more complicated than that
If tolls were put on Route 3, then we couldn't use any Federal funding to maintain, repair, or upgrade the highway. AFAIK, there would also be restrictions on using the tolls collected for maintenance, repairs, or improvements on highways other than Route 3.
Sort of like how Massport can't use funds collected from airline airport fees for non-aviation related improvements (like parking garages).
Really?
Range Rover-driving W suburb clowns can't afford $1.25? Cry me a river!
Agreed, toll no-one or
Agreed, toll no-one or everyone (especially exit 16 in West Newton! "Wah wah it used to be free" - stop mooching)
Read the website, watch the
Read the website, watch the animation.
Friday night, traffic will be shifted to the sides at toll plazas. Over the next three weeks or so, they'll demolish empty toll booths in the middle, fill in the access tunnels, regrade, pave and stripe the middle - and open the middle to traffic as something more like regular onramp/offramp lanes. Then, they'll demolish the other tollbooths on either side of the row.
2 Tanspnoders; Same Car
I have a transponder for work that I now use in my car. I also have a transponder for the same vehicle, from before I started working for my current company that is still operational. Which one of these gets charged in the new system?
Both??
Both
Which is why they recommend wrapping the transponder you aren't using in aluminum foil if it's in the car with you when you drive through the fare collectors.
Or, take the transponder you aren't using out of your car. Either way.
get a pouch
You should check on how to manage this, since it sounds like you may need to have both transponders in the car, depending on whether it is a business or personal use. From the E-Z Pass website, it appears there is a 'pouch' they can give you so that a transponder won't get charged.
I had an experience getting charged twice, in a different kind of situation, with two transponders. If I recall correctly, I had added my father-in-law's vehicle to my transponder account and brought my transponder with me to drive him on errands as he was aging and no longer drove himself. Turned out he had an active transponder squirreled away in one of his glove compartments that I didn't know about. We didn't realize what happened until we got unpaid bills to his address in the mail.
So yes, according to this experience anyway, I think you may get charged on both. I'd look into how to get one of those pouches. My situation was a mistake easily fixed, but you will need to manage your situation, unless you want to risk getting in trouble billing the work account for your personal trips.
I recall a story where somebody cancelled their
E Z Pass account and returned the transponder by either mail or UPS. A few months later, they got a bill for several transactions that occurred AFTER they had cancelled the account. Apparently, the transactions were indeed from their transponder, which hadn't been sent in either aluminum foil or the special pouch (which IIRC they give you when you receive the transponder), as the mail or UPS truck passed under E-ZPass readers.
My E-ZPass came with said
My E-ZPass came with said pouch. No idea what I've done with it now, but I'm pretty sure all of them come with one.
1988 Called
We were supposed to stop paying tolls in 1988. It was then that the Pike was supposed to be paid for. More lies by politicians.
Fine. Eliminate the tolls then
to keep a "promise" made in the 1950s. And I'm sure you'd have no problem with a portion of the current gas taxes being diverted from other highway and bridge projects to fund maintenance and construction on the Pike.
Oh yah
Where do you live that your house never needs a new roof or anything?
The company who put the new
The company who put the new roof on doesn't come over and force me to pay him to put on another new roof when the one that I have is fine or to pay for an entirely different roof that I don't live under.
2016 Called
You are expected to pay for what you use, with no subsidy from non-users.