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Six charged in fake-ID ring at the RMV
By adamg on Thu, 08/03/2017 - 10:38am
WBUR reports on the alleged ID sales at the Haymarket Registry office.
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Why is it always the feds
Why is it always the feds going after these things and not the state AG?
Healey is too busy putting men into the girl's room
Maura Healey is too busy putting men into the girl's locker room for this. Felony Registry document fraud, identity theft, voter registration fraud? Nothing to see here. Nice that WBUR never mentions that the ringleader "Flako" is an illegal alien from the Dominican. These are "non-violent" felonies so perhaps there is a bed and a ballot for illegal "Flako" at Marty Walsh's City Hall. Sickening but the tip of the iceberg. Keep voting Democrat.
What the hell does someone
What the hell does someone wanting to go to the bathroom have to do with this? How is someone at the RMV giving out IDS the fault of democrats?
Move. Seriously. Just move. Go to a red state. You'll have more illiteracy, obesity, poverty, crazy jesus freaks, racism, terrible schools and hospitals than you'll know what to do with. You live in the state with the best education and hospitals in the country yet you clearly don't appreciate it. You have contempt for the people who paid your salary and are paying for your healthcare. Go to one of the 3rd world shitholes down south that are run by republicans and don't look back.
Wow, who let all the hate
Wow, who let all the hate filled Yankee bigots let their freak flag fly today. Look in the mirror because you are the other side of the same coin with that much anger, fear, and venom towards your fellow citizens.
no subject
I notice that you can't
I notice that you can't refute anything I said. The red states are worse than blue states in every way that I mentioned. This has been a fact for decades.
Why are people moving from
Why are people moving from coast and rust belt blue states to those red state "hell holes" in the sun belt at an increasing rate then?
Because they are stupid
But, no, they actually aren't moving from the good states. Not anymore.
Cities
Most of the growth has been in the cities which don't normally follow the politics of the rest of the state.
Because red states
Have things like Austin and Nashville, which appear to be two popular landing places for young Bostonians who are punting on high rents and winter.
Are you sure they are?
Are you sure they are? The last US census was 2010, so all we've got to go on are projections, which seem to show that population is expected to grow in most states and shrink in a very few, including some of your red states. The Sun Belt drew a lot of people in the 90s because of the growth of its urban areas -- people weren't moving there to live in some holler -- and its relatively inexpensive cost of living. The recession hit the Sun Belt extra hard, I think likely due to the results of lax regulation and public investment coming home to roost in the form of crappy schools, uncontained sprawl development, etc. -- all of which would certainly take the bloom off the rose even without a recession. Further, it's not clear where any population increases are coming from. But I think it highly unlikely that there's any significant increase due to people getting fed up with all this lib'rul crap and deciding to go hillbilly.
Um, I was replying to DPM's "Why is it always the feds?"
DPM asked why the feds must investigate an illegal immigrant fraud scam at a major state agency while Attorney General Healey remains silent. I truthfully replied that Healey has been too busy on pushing for men to be allowed in the girl's dressing and bath rooms.
Healey, a Democrat, should be focused on real crimes. Don't shoot the messenger.
Um, okay.
And you should know that the Commonwealth (via the MSP) will defer to the Fed if there are fed crimes involved.
I don't remember seeing any whinging obsessions about bathrooms when the Commonwealth deferred to the Fed on the Tsarnaev trial.
None of this has anything to do with your obsession with girl's bathrooms or who is peeing where.
More evidence that your "career" in law enforcement is probably confined to fanboy status.
Truthfully WRONG
How can you call something "truthful" when it's just plain flat-out wrong? Immigration is in the purview of the federal government. Maura Healey is not an immigration official. Now please, go get professional mental help with that misogyny problem, it's really stinking up the joint.
Figured misuse of RMV
Figured misuse of RMV resources, falsifying state docs etc was state level.
Fed penalties are a lot harsher
It also costs money and resources to investigate. The MSP worked with the Fed on this, but the AG's office stepped back. These agencies have a lot of rules about turf.
MA can seek additional penalties for different state level charges if they want to.
RE: DPM is correct. Falsifying RMV document 5 year felony
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DPM is correct, a five year felony under state law. Our state AG has no interest. Trump's Justice Department had to step in. Swirly's comparing this to the feds taking over the Islamic terror attack on the marathon is absurd. One was an international incident, the other a scandal in a state agency that should be investigated by the state AG. For the record, Officer Collier's murder was never prosecuted, despite video evidence. At the time, I supported Marian Ryan's desire to prosecute Tsarnaev in state court for the Collier murder, so you are wrong, again, Swirly. The far-left called it a "waste of resources" so the Collier's and Sean's brothers and sisters in blue never got justice. This was the same left-wing crowd that was shocked, shocked, when Tsarnaev got the death penalty, ignoring years of referendums supporting same.
I'm obviously missing something here
The two guys who shot Sean Collier, one is dead and the other is in prison until he dies. What is the benefit of a murder trial in state court?
Rotting away in a SuperMax prison
Until he can be executed. Housemates include religious terrorists Ramsay Yousef and Eric Robert Rudolph.
Collier family
Do you have some basis for stating that the Collier family (I assume that is who you mean by "Collier's") "never got justice"? Because all I can find are their statements of appreciation to the federal jury for ensuring that Sean's killer would be held accountable. Which makes your gratuitous rage on the family's behalf inane and deplorable.
Not an international incident
Tsarnaev is (present tense) a citizen. It was not an international incident.
international?
> One was an international incident,
what other nation was involved?
While true, it also appears
While true, it also appears federal documents (social security cards) were involved, plus the feds generally have better resources to deal with forgery and fake documents.
Re: lbb Truthfully WRONG
We have been told by AG Maura Healey's mentor that "it's not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts." That means the crimes at the Registry are mostly state felonies that could land the guilty in Walpole for five years, with suspension of license. For some reason the feds, not the state, are prosecuting.
Since the feds don't have a MA citation book, I'm very curious if the troopers in Healey's office issued a citation to each of those charged to ensure their licenses are duly suspended, as allowed by state law. It sounds quirky, but the RMV won't act without a traffic citation and I'm doubtful any was issued here since Healey took a dive.
MA isnt as blue as you think
And will probably shift further right if Warren or Patrick are the Democratic candidate. Particularly Warren who's approval rate is embarrassing, and rightfully so.
http://www.wbur.org/politicker/2016/11/10/massachusetts-clinton-trump-re...
You missed something
Like, recent data.
Warren's approval rating is 57%!
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/05/new_novus_group_poll_has_...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/07/11/sanders-most-popular...
Dream on
Keep using dated information to *prove* your point and live your dream.
Last poll had her at around 60% approval in MA.
sad
The people who live in these states are human beings, like you and me, trying to make it through life. Many people voted Democratic in those states. There's no need to use profanity to refer to them.
Wow. This is seriously
Wow. This is seriously whacked.
Hey Fishy
Despite the concerted efforts of your beloved GOP goon squad, you can still go to the doctor, discuss your issues, and get your medication covered under insurance.
You might want to check in while you still can.
BTW Mr. Pathological
THE COROLLARY OF MEN'S ROOM IS WOMEN'S ROOM!
Not "girls" unless it is "boys".
Is there an exception in the law barring men from girls room?
Swirly, is there an exception to the MA "bathroom law" that prohibits a 65 year old male (or any adult male) from showering with the JV girls volleyball team? Citation? Your "corollary" really doesn't apply.
Wow
This really turns you on, doesn't it?
Why don't you start taking some data the next time you go out to peek under some stalls and get back to us.
Howie Carr
hasn't instructed him to look up facts yet, that's why.
Nor will he.
Ever.
Creepy knows no gender
I remember when I was on a JV team (I'm male), there were (male) coaches we didn't like having in our locker room, because they were creepy. I'm sure many women had the same experience with women they didn't like in their locker room. The problem is creepy adults in the locker room with middle school kids, not people of the "wrong gender." Obsessing over bathroom gender laws kind of misses the point altogether.
Charlie Brown
It's all I hear when he speaks now... its not even worth reading anymore..
(but yeah I'll comment anyways)
How do you know the Commonwealth will not prosecute?
Did the AG's office come out and say they will not prosecute ever? They could wait until the Federal trial is over. There would not be double jeopardy since different laws are involved.
And there won't be final jeopardy
Because Tsarnaev has $0 and can't wager.
Read the linked story, please
The state clearly deferred to the Fed because the federal crimes were far more serious. That happens a lot.
Just re-read it. Where does
Just re-read it. Where does it say that?
A Massachusetts id made available for no fee.
Massachusetts i d cards can be made available for no fee, particularly with no charge for Veterans. Many street people, homeless folks, less enfranchised folks, et al would benefit by a free Massachusetts id Program http://www.massrmv.com/LicenseandID/ObtainingaMassachusettsID.aspx
Likewise getting Birth Certificates can be made available for no fee, particularly with no charge for Veterans. Many street people, homeless folks, less enfranchised folks, et al would benefit by a free Birth Certificate Program.
The Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and Attorney General of Massachusetts can advocate for the Program.
So we have no
Excuses for Voter ID laws locally, good to know!
You know that's bullshit
It's not the fee.
People with less wealth, working low-status jobs, simply don't have the flexibility that most of the professionally employed world takes for granted. They work longer hours. commute further and longer, and cannot step out to run an errand. People working two jobs, even more so.
Requiring someone to go to a state office at the hours that office is open, and stand in line, in order to get an ID to vote, will obviously have the effect of skewing the voter rolls toward the already privileged.
Which is, of course, exactly the intent behind such laws.
There is no reason for voter ID laws
That's because the laws we have are just fine and WERE JUST FINE.
VOTER FRAUD IS NOT AN ISSUE. There is no EVIDENCE that it IS.
Indeed not, there's no excuse
Indeed not, there's no excuse for voter ID laws.
The AG doesn't give a shit
The AG doesn't give a shit about anything which doesn't promote her political career or expand her personal power. She recently threw a national LGBT group under the bus by signing onto a legal brief in D.C. against the group's civil rights lawsuit as soon as the DNC asked her without giving a minute's pause.
Bill Galvin on the other hand is a prince of darkness whom reigns from a throne of skulls to maintain a dark cloud of secrecy over the so called public records of the commonwealth and yet virtually no citizens happen to notice the nearly unchecked power of his mighty fiefdom.
Except you.... always asking for greater access to public records and transparency.... brave sir knight, go and slay that dragon!
What is the case?
What is the case? I'd like to learn more about it.
I kind of surprised no one has commented on
the fact that 10 of the people who received the fake IDs registered to vote with them. True, none of the actually voted, but I'm still surprised that this debate somehow touched on the use of bathrooms by transgendered people but no mention of the voting thing.
Please explain
Why you think it is relevant?
Under voter ID laws, those fakes would have enabled them to vote anyway.
Please show some data that demonstrates that this is a problem anywhere and in any way?
How are the following relevant
All are discussed above. Compared to those weighty topics, an interesting tidbit brought up in the reporting was ignored, particularly by the more conservative posters here. I just think it is odd. It's one of those debating points, but the above things came out instead. I mean, it was in both of our major daily newspapers today.
Just surprised that I'm the only one mentioning it, if only to throw some oil on the fire.
Haven't renewed your license recently, have you?
As I am sure you are aware, you can "register to vote" by simply checking yet another checkbox on the license application/renewal form. It's highly unlikely that anyone who received these licenses was all "fuck yeah, now imma go out and REGISTER TO VOTE AND BE ALL FRAUDY!"
By the way, did you send a dozen roses to Kris Kobach when he got appointed to his voter suppression commission, or just a single tasteful long-stem?
But that's not my point
If someone wants to vote, they can just fill out a form and swear, under penalty of law, they are eligible to vote. That's not the issue in this story. Again, I'm just amazed no one mentioned it except for me.
Kudos to the Secretary of the Commonwealth for noticing this. The office is on top of things. If not for them, the little tidbit never would have been known. Now if you can excuse me, I want to get back to reading the comments on population growth in other states because, well, it applies to this story somehow.
Maximum penalty
This is low. Our data is there for these thieves to steal to benefit themselves. Give them years in prison!