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Boston University stops admitting PhD students in social sciences, humanities
By adamg on Tue, 11/19/2024 - 12:38pm
Inside Higher Education reports the university is blaming the recent strike by existing graduate students for making its programs too expensive to run.
[T]he programs not accepting Ph.D. students for next academic year are American and New England studies, anthropology, classical studies, English, history, history of art and architecture, linguistics, philosophy, political science, religion, Romance studies, and sociology.
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True to Silber's memory
Need to keep up the fascism. How dare those free thinkers think freely!
How is that fascism?
The cost for the program went up and they decided to spend money on other things.
I'm guessing they still offer bachelor and masters degrees in the humanities so it's not as if they are cutting the departments.
So ...
Be satisfied with Gen Ed electives that you're only taking because you couldn't get into the ones you really wanted and fuck the development and furtherance of scholarship. I see...
To be clear, I'm not referencing scholarship of the financial type if there were questions about that....
A wait list is fascism?
Fascism is using the military to round up people without the right papers and forcing them to leave the country. It's also using the power of government to stymie and hurt the institutions favored by your political opponents (As in, the GOP's view of higher ed in Boston.)
When I was in college the big concern was interesting elective classes being cancelled due to lack of enrollment, not wait lists.
Silber made BU
it was a very mediocre school until he got there. At my high school in the 1960s BU diplomas were compared to toilet paper by reputation. What you see now on Commonwealth Ave is his legacy. An amazing expansion and improvement in reputation.
Curbing some of the late 60s/early 70s madness was part of improving BU. Hence the harridans who were a part of that madness call him a "fascist."
and some of those departments (New England Studies?) probably didn't exist before his time.
Silber and Reich were the best governors Massachusetts never had. His planned emphasis on city elementary and secondary education could have been revolutionary for Boston, Lawrence, Worcester etc kids.
The shitlibs ("I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative") and Howie Carr did him in. Weld, an affable boozer, had a few relaxing years.
late 60s/early 70s madness?
What happened at BU during that time? It is before I arrived in this area.
a preview of "cancel culture"
shouting down speakers etc
How much is enough?
Last year they "made" $84 million.
The year before that, they made $152 million.
The alumni from those
The alumni from those programs do not contribute as much as engineering and business, similar to the nursing school that closed.
To paraphrase Nelson from the Simpsons...
"Ha ha! Your academic fields are dying!")
/s
They don’t make the dough
These are valuable disciplines. Not everyone needs to be an engineer or a code jockey. It’s sad, really. We need people with this expertise. I hope it reverses.
They don’t make universities money
Or the recipient. It’s a a bad transaction for all parties involved.
This is a private institution and can do as it sees fit. UMASS will continue to offer these degrees. It’s not the end of the world folks.
Help me out here
Help me out here. Do you really believe that that's the goal of university programs?
Better late than never.
Better late than never.
Ah yes, anti-intellectualism
Very nice. The Khmer Rouge were big on that, should we follow their lead?
Adopts handle of repressed person
Supports the kinds of repression historically attributed to those oppressors.
For someone with that username ...
You sure seem to be completely ignorant of the last century of Chinese history.
Can you get more Maoist than this?
Unfortunate
Seems Brandeis isn't far behind.
From the Boston Globe
Article on Higher Education under the Trump administration:
I don't blame any university who looks ahead and thinks they need to trim back and prepare for much higher costs, few grants, and plenty of legal action. Apart from news, there's no other industry the GOP wants to hurt as much as higher ed.
So do it to themselves?
So they have to do it to themselves first before trump gets a chance? Race to the bottom.
Do not obey in advance.
“I don’t blame anyone for making it easier for the authoritarians to dismantle our institutions,” is the message you’re communicating.
Brandeis situation is different
While heartbreaking, the situation at Brandeis is different. It's not retaliation against grad students unionizing. The school is hurting financially (the president resigned recently due to this). Brandeis is a relatively young school (first class was 1954, iirc) and hasn't built up the kind of endowment of older or larger schools.
The BU situation isn't retaliation, either
They can't run the programs and make (enough) money if they're forced to pay wages that the workers feel are appropriate. You're confusing "evil boss closes the factory to starve the workers" with "company that profits from poorly-compensated labor gets out of the game after conditions change." This is the latter.
The point of academic programs shouldn't be making money
Departments that bring in more money help support those that bring in less but still have value (in terms of knowledge, etc.)
A matter of external funding
All of the suspended programs are not supported by any external funding. One of the internal memos suggests that even those programs that do have external support may have to reduce PhD admissions going forward.
"Pause" on new admissions to
"Pause" on new admissions to doctoral programs in philosophy and religion??!! At BU??!!
What would MLK, Jr. say?
He'd probably note
Theology and religion are not the same. And it looks like the doctorate programs at BU in theology aren't being paused.
To speculate, if MLK, Jr was a doctoral student in 2024, he'd probably opt for a smaller and less prestigious school anyway. In the early 1950s, BU was more of a seminary then it is today.
Fess up
You work at BU. Issue a disclaimer.
All Hail
STEM followership and creating a populace incapable of processing ambiguity, cuz it's not like there's any of THAT around anymore! Cui bono?
Don't answer. It is Black Rock and whoever else owns most of the quarterly profit scheme that benefits. Better late than never!
So
they're openly admitting they can't run these programs without exploiting under-paid labor?
It’s good news.
Good, put your money where it’s really needed. Those programs are quickly becoming obsolete.
O tempora, o mores
This is how civilizations collapse.
Obsolescence is an issue
But it is the obsolescence of highly educated technicians who are replaced by machines. Most leaders of businesses favor replacing humans with machines when possible. That is the primary motivation behind AI. Why hire an architect if a computer can produce the plans? Why hire writers if AI needs only researchers who don't need to know who to write well? Why have authors if AI can produce books that are good enough to sell? That sounds like a crazy idea unless one considers the literary of that venerable genre romance novels.
Without the humanities as a basis of thought, contemplation and imagination many highly educated folks who believed that their technical expertise will protect them will wonder how to sell themselves when their only foundation is one that effectively leaves them as human machines.
Wow, wow
I can’t believe the comments. Why don’t you just look into other schools.
It's not that simple
My husband is a younger tenured professor in a high-demand, rapidly growing, well-funded STEM field. And the common saying in said field is that there's 1 tenure-track position for every 10 PhD graduates.
University PhD programs have overadmitted students for decades to use them as cheap labor (teaching, research) and then graduate them with degrees where most of them will be unable to get jobs that require a PhD or in their field. In lower demand fields like social sciences and humanities, it's very likely that a student will spend 10 years on their degree and have to go back to entry-level work. Not only is it financially ruinous for the student, it is psychologically damaging to have all of that effort result in the same job and income they could have gotten as a 22 year old with a Bachelor's. Or, for the ones who end up on the adjunct merry go round, a worse job than they could have gotten as a 22 year old with a Bachelor's.
My BA is in one of these "useless" areas of study and I personally do not think they are useless at all! They're very important for the betterment of one's mind and society. But the labor market for PhD grads has been distorted for a very, very long time, probably back to the mid-00s. This means that just about everyone with a PhD in their early 50s or younger has dealt with this and can advise their mentees accordingly. It is time for the market to adjust to, well, the actual market.
Back to the 1970s
Even as an undergrad I kept hearing stories of folks with higher ed degrees having to drive taxis and accept jobs where they wasted their abilities and talents. Whether this was the result of too many PhDs or the result of not enough universities and other institutions not supporting not maintaining sufficient demand is another question.
There is a tragic irony. The one industry where the need for higher ed graduates has increased non-stop for 50 years is now creaking along, bordering on collapse. They are primary care doctors. Over 50 years ago anyone paying attention knew that we would need more general practice doctors than the medical education system would provide. Yet no one acknowledged that the pipeline for doctors was gamed to fail.
Now university managers are choosing to reduce humanities but the managers of the medical schools continue to maintain the doctoring pipeline at the rate of a drip. Maybe the humanities side of academia needs iron to end its anemia while the medical school side of education needs penicillin to stop its drip and open its pipes to a healthy flow of new doctors.
Humanity versus machinery?
I know that there was tension between money producing technical programs (machinery) and humanities as far back at least as the 80s. The fact that universities across the nation are reducing, consolidating or just outright canceling humanties programs is not due to the strike. It is a pattern across the nation. Given the fact that the current Federal government, and many state governments, are fundamentally anti-human, and pro-machine (i.e., human beings are machines), this is a symptom of larger forces of social devolution. The dominant culture favors people and activities that produce material wealth, whether of money or other forms of property. Human beings who are not generating material wealth and are adding to the potentially owned property (think about the vaulted intellectual property of movies, television and music) are simply less desired. So educational programs that do not closely align with producing material wealth are no longer significant or important.
While some folks would argue that the surge in religiosity argues otherwise, I argue that the surge in political-religiosity is itself a symptom. That is seen in the Gospel of Wealth and properity theology favored over the social gospel, the favoring of politicians whose ideology is based on favoring material wealth for few and disfavoring (and rejecting) those not considered to be acceptable as human beings.
Very similar American and European ideologies of a century ago.
Can they move to the Northern
Can they move to the Southern Mass and post to UHub from there?
Oh look - a banned commenter
Oh look - a banned commenter repeating their frequent pre-banned whinging.
Gotta agree with Swirly on this one
A previous UHub troll forgot to put on their fake mustache before walking back in here this morning and defaulted to their old shtick. I'm not unconvinced that they were also here before that using a different account.