The City that Always Sleeps: Residents, some businesses and BU fight proposed 3 a.m. closing time for Kenmore Square taco place
Update: 2 a.m. closing time approved.
The Boston Licensing Board decides tomorrow whether to let El Jefe's Taqueria, which currently stays open until 3 a.m. near Northeastern, BU and in Harvard Square, open a new outlet with the same closing time in Kenmore Square.
At a hearing this morning, El Jefe's owner John Schall and supporters said Boston can't really be a world-class city that retains young people unless it allows late-night burritos in a hub like Kenmore Square and that the chain has proven at BU and Northeastern that it can feed the voracious student masses until 3 a.m. safely and with no fuss or muss.
Opponents, though, say El Jefe's should first prove itself with an earlier closing time and that 3 a.m. could lead to disruptions that prevent Kenmoreans from getting enough sleep. Sure, El Jefe is open until then down Comm. Ave and up by Northeastern, but those are different neighborhoods altogether, and that when Kenmore did have places open until 3 a.m., it was a near hellhole, not the sort of place people wanted to go to, at least not the sort of respectable people that wouldn't carouse through the streets, keeping residents from getting enough sleep.
The board has the power to set restaurant closing times (opening times as well, but that rarely causes contention), in this case for El Jefe's proposed 25-seat location in the Whoop complex at 533 Commonwealth Ave.
Schall and his licensing consultant, Chris Tracy, said El Jefe's has operated until 3 a.m. for 18 months now at its locations near Agganis Arena just up Comm. Ave and on Huntington Avenue near Northeastern without any problems, and presented petitions and letters of support from 1,900 people and six businesses.
They said at the request of the Boston Transportation Department, they would funnel people picking up orders to park on Deerfield Street rather than in the square itself, that they have a contract with DoorDash to bar any deliverers who cause problems and that, in any case, "99 percent" of the scooters at their location at the other end of BU are ridden not by delivery people, but BU students.
And they played the world-class-city card. ""If Boston wants to be a world-class [it needs] amenities, convenience and nightlife that attracts young people here," Tracy said. Schall's son, Justin, said that if Boston really is serious about improving nightlife, it needs to put its regulatory power where its mouth is and allow responsible operators like El Jefe's open later. Schall said that the more responsible operators are open late, the safer and more vibrant the square would get.
They were supported at the meeting by Jim Travers, who lives near Harvard Square and who praised the El Jefe's there for its "positive influence" on that square. "It's not a place where people get rowdy, it's not a place where people drink," he said.
Also in support: Lillian Tyack, who graduated Boston College five years ago and who now works there and who said the students who would patronize El Jefe at 2:30 a.m. are not out to cause trouble, but to get some sustenance for those late-night study drives. "They just want to be satiated and go home," she said.
The lack of late-night offerings "is one of the big reasons people leave Boston" after graduating, she said, praising El Jefe's in particular for offering "cheap, affordable and actually really good food, and healthy."
But City Councilor Sharon Durkan, Kenmore Residents Group head and Cornwall's owner Pam Beale and BU Police Chief Rob Lowe all opposed letting El Jefe get out of the gate with a 3 a.m. closing.
Durkan noted that even the Kenmore McDonald's, across the square from where El Jefe's would go, is not open for sit-down dining until 3 a.m.
Beale said she recalls the bad old days of Kenmore Square, when several places were open to 3 a.m., with "people being afraid of the square and just being an unpleasant experience being in the square in the evening."
She said El Jefe should be required to prove itself a good neighbor by opening with an earlier closing time first before seeking a later closing time, and that its experiences elsewhere may not apply to Kenmore Square.
"People should have to earn a later than 2 a.m. closing," she said. "Every neighborhood is different. Not everybody has the same history as Kenmore Square."
Lowe asked the board to limit El Jefe's to 2 a.m., noting that would align with other closing times in the square.
One Park Drive resident said 3 a.m. would be unfair to nearby residents, because it would mean noise even later than that as patrons dispersed into the surrounding streets after that.
"It's wonderful to have vibrant streets in Boston but not when it means disrupting people who want to sleep," she said.
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El Jefe's food is fantastic,
El Jefe's food is fantastic, and I haven't heard any evidence of them being anything but a good neighbor at any of the other locations. In addition to the college locations mentioned above, they have one across from Boylston Station that serves Suffolk/Emerson.
That one didn't really come up at the hearing
Since its closing time is earlier (1 or 2 a.m.).
Junk food at 3am is hardly ….
… what makes a town a world class city. Who cares anyway.
That pathetic whine always makes me laugh.
Junk food?
How do you define "junk food"?
I'm not really sure I'd define a made-to-order hot meal that can contain nutritionally balanced ingredients if the customer so chooses as "junk food" so I'm curious how you define that term.
It has no meaning
It's food moralizing, plain and simple. We should never be calling anyone's food junk/rubbish/trash/garbage. These terms mean absolutely nothing.
Taste.
As well as ingredients.
I’ve eaten at one. Even while making “healthy” choices, my dish was greasy, overcooked and loaded with salt, which usually indicates inferior ingredients. It met all the requirements to be labeled processed food.
You missed the point
The point being.. stuff being open after 11pm is what makes a city.. a city!
It is insane that as large as Boston is that so little is open after 11pm. I spent my late teens and first two years of my 20s in Atlanta and I am STILL amazed that how backwards Boston is by comparison. Northerners love to say the South is ass backwards, but in this case, we're the ass backwards ones.
There were oodles of places open to eat after midnight. Many were open 24 hours a day.
There were clubs that stayed open all night. None of this 2am crappola
Not even just food and bar options.. but there were stores that stayed open later till midnight or even later. Unlike here were the sidewalks close at 9pm.
If there was a problem with a business, the city just revoked its license and shut it down. None of this "well there might be a problem, so no you can't be open". They dealt with the problem when it happened, IF it became a problem. Most of the time no.
Fact of the matter here is that even down there, like here, community groups banned together to get places closed that caused a problem (see Backstreet Atlanta as an example). It took engagement to their city officials to take a look. Not this "let's all show up at some hearing and complain just because we want to complain". No it took work, effort, research, and engagement. I think we forced these community groups to do that instead of just showing up to bitch, we might not see so many NIMBYisms because they might have to work for it..... Anyone can show up and say "I don't want this" without much merit or documented proof other than their own opinion.
Its just nauseating at times in this city to see this stuff happen time and time again because NannyState says so. And it sad when Providence, Hartford, and Manchester have more vibrant nightlife than Boston does.
I agreed with you until the
I agreed with you until the last sentence. Hartford and Manchester? Come on.
I wish you had mentioned…
… “nanny state” in the beginning of your long winded post. I would have known to just move on to the next post.
You're really cranky today
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Lol.
No just too much free time today.
The people who are hungry at
The people who are hungry at 2:30 care. Obviously there are enough of them because El Jefe keeps other locations open that late. The people pathetically whining are the pearl clutching NIMBYs who are afraid of people eating a late night taco.
What other locations are open till 3 am?
The one across from the Common apparently closes at midnight or 1am according to adamg.
Um ...
It's right in the story: The El Jefes on Comm. Ave. near Agganis, on Huntington Ave. in the Fenway and Harvard Square are all open until 3 (although, sure, Harvard Square is Across the River, so doesn't really count).
Um …
… okay.
"Near Hellhole"
Now THAT was Kenmore Square. The Rat, the Pizza Pad...we were proud that it was a hellhole. And it wasn't really. It was just grungy in a most appealing way. I feel bad for the new effete city dwellers who missed it.
Well BU purchased Kenmore to
Well BU purchased Kenmore to drive out seedy stuff and do stuff like prevent a reputable local chain from opening up late. BU is the worst thing to happen to that area.
When BU hockey scores, you
When BU hockey scores, you get a free taco from...El Jefe!
Used to eat there frequently
When I worked fire alarm systems in the Longwood hospitals we'd do a Pizza Pad lunch and chat with Mr. Butch if he was hanging around.
Baldini’s wasn’t bad for a
Baldini’s wasn’t bad for a local chain. Deli Haus and Burrito Max were my late teens. Then having Ronnie or Mr. Butch buy us 40s and/or Wild Irish Rose at the liquor store by the old Cornwall’s. I spent my 20s and early 30s getting over the Rat at Cornwall’s and Eastern Standard, and amused by IHOP becoming ICOB.
Even Cornwall’s left its spot. I really miss the older Kenmore, but it sucks I have to miss the one that replaced it too.
You forgot...
...DELI HAUS.
Since those of us who live
Since those of us who live near northeastern suffer with 3am closings, they should suffer too.
3am
3am is too late for me to do anything now a days besides get up to pee for my 3rd time but 20 years ago I would have appreciated something other than Chinese being open that late.
No one cares
.
Who now lives in Kenmore Square besides BU and MIT students?
Red Sox players?
Red Sox players?
Rats and Hotel guests
Yeah, there's very little housing that could be considered in Kenmore Sq at this point. The strip of brownstones on Bay State Rd is about it.
The woman quoted above lives on Park Dr which no one in Boston would consider Kenmore Sq. (Except her, apparently.)
Edit: Best I can tell there are two buildings that have private residences in the Sq. One is above the Ace ticket, the other above the Korean BBQ chicken place.
Kenmore Square is an entertainment district.
It’s cruel but true that you can’t cave to a few homeowners in lieu of thousands of hungry people.
Bring back 1990s Burrito Max
Bring back 1990s Burrito Max and Mr. Butch
I miss Burrito Max
The place was weird. Long and dark in the back. But the food was cheap and some of the employees where in bands and would sell their CDs at the front counter.
Burrito Max rules
Burrito Max was my first exposure to burritos in the late 1990s. Cheap, filling and good.
Same.
That place was heaven.
late-night delivery
A friend of mine had surgery yesterday, and his girlfriend has been staying up late, to him and because it's hard to sleep when you're worried.
She just posted that, fortunately, she'd remembered that if she's too tired to cook, she can get pizza delivered at 1 a.m. My first thought that it's a good thing they live in the city and things are still open. The city in this case isn't New York or London--it's Minneapolis.
Pizza ...
Is one thing you can get delivered late at night in large parts of Boston, and no, I'm not talking about that scam place that allegedly offers 24-hours delivery. There are a number of Dominos open late for delivery (yes, I know, look down your nose at them, but if it's 2 a.m., are you really going to be that choosy?) and some others.
Yes, I’ll be that choosy.
I’d rather eat the Dominos box than the “pizza” inside. I ate a few slices once and never again.
You’ve vomited all over this thread.
Hit the showers and come back tomarrah.
Known for being real fun
They are know for being real fun at parties.... for maybe insurance agents.
Late night workers too
Aside from emergencies & accessibility, there are also a lot of folks who don't work a 9-5 who might appreciate a lunch spot at 3am
The heart of Kenmore Square...
has always been a late night section of Boston. It's only recently that it has gone to the dogs as people try to turn this city into a densely populated suburb. If you're worried about a burrito place being open late night in a place like Kenmore Sq, you need to set up camp in Weston. And I have no idea why someone on Park Drive would care that a food place is open at 2am in Kenmore as it's nowhere near it. The part of Kenmore Sq at issue here may have some housing but it's far from a "residential" section of the city.
BU has a lot of balls opining on this given that many of their students wreak havoc into the wee hours up and down Comm Ave, and all points in between.
I miss Buzzy's
n/t
Another concern over late hours …
…. is for the unfortunate employees who would be required to work late hours and not be able to use public transportation to get home.
Nobody is gonna starve to death.
Nobody is forced to work...
a job with late hours.
That same arrogant argument…
… was used by lobbyists for Big Tobacco back when the law to ban smoking in restaurants and bars was being debated.
People have to work. Maybe not you personally, but most do.
No shortage....
of these types of jobs in the Boston area. And as someone and who was raised working-class, and who has been working many years,I'm very much aware that people have to work. I spent many years working nights. You don't have to work at El Jefe's in Kenmore, but it's a job for someone who wants it and it's a place to eat for the (many) workers who do work nights.
I’ve worked all three shifts.
When I worked late nights or the graveyard shift, I almost always brought my own meals. Same with my co workers. No one of us would have been able to afford take out every night anyway.
The nights I got out after the T closed when I worked too far to bike or walk, the taxi fares took more of a bite out of my paychecks.
Some people have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to pay the rent. They don’t have as much of a choice as you think.
You don't know what I think...
or what I've done to make a living, or what I know about what other people do to make a living. So it's best not to make presumptions about what strangers know or think, because you're not omnipotent. And just because you want to prepare your own meals doesn't mean everyone can or wants to.
If your argument here is that this business shouldn't open a few more hours because some people can't make those hours work for their life circumstances, it's illogical. It's like saying a new business operating in the evening hours in Woburn shouldn't open because someone who lives in Somerville and wants to work there might have a hard time getting home at night. You could apply that "logic" to almost any job someone, somewhere, might have difficulty with. It's always unfortunate if someone who relies on the T can't take those hours, but other people will see that as an opportunity to work hours they couldn't otherwise have worked. Nobody is being "forced" to do anything here. If you don't want to work at El Jefe's you can walk across the street and work at Mickie D's and leave at 11.
Sigh. No fun. 2020.
Sigh. No fun. 2020.
Can we get some opinions...
...on the quality of the burritos in question?
Because if they're not great, I have this vision of vending machines that serve hot (microwaved) burritos and such. Vending machines selling things other than drinks are an underused resource in the US. Is it good food? Hell no. But the idea amuses me.
I’ve seen some innovative ones…
… with actual fresh salads and grain bowls. Tufts Medical has one.
I say bring back the Automats too.
finally
Something we agree about
I agree!! We need places like this.. cheap eats with a variety. And it doesn't have to be garbage food too.
I think I read somewhere…
… that they still have something similar in the UK. I was in a small one in Amsterdam. It was fun!
NYC
NYC has a couple of them.... well at last check a year or so ago.
Pretty good
Didn't have something to bring for lunch today and I happened to be near the Jefe's on Huntington. It definitely hit the spot for me today.